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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHPDBG nonsense (Was: Re: [PHP-CVS] com php-src: Made
 phpdbg compatible with new engine: ...)
From: pthreads@pthreads.org (Joe Watkins)

On Fri, 2014-10-24 at 23:06 -0400, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014, Bob Weinand wrote:
> 
> > Commit:    2bcac53bca8ea82d661f057b6d9ff3c7c84f05a7
> > Author:    Bob Weinand <bobwei9@hotmail.com>         Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:29:50 +0200
> > Parents:   53560ca06b333b71883269091f7d74c0a25e087b c03ac47bafd0ea55055a2f3d4de0bc6bb4d98d8d
> > Branches:  master
> > 
> > Link:       http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bcac53bca8ea82d661f057b6d9ff3c7c84f05a7
> > 
> > Log:
> > Made phpdbg compatible with new engine
> 
> <snip>
> >   AM  sapi/phpdbg/xml.md
> 
> Although this patch does make it work with PHP 7, it also does do 
> something absolutely different: it reinvents a wheel by coming up with a 
> new XML protocol for debugging.
> 
> So far I've been silent on PHPDBG, but seriously, is it really not 
> possible to cooperate instead of reimplementating something that already 
> exists? PHPDBG is difficult to use with its odd command line "commands".
> And then I haven't even spoken about the pretentious "awesomesauce" on 
> http://phpdbg.com/ — a domain that's not even under the PHP group's 
> control.
> 
> cheers,
> Derick

Derick,

	A few weeks ago, I was at a conference where you told a room filled
with hundreds of developers that phpdbg was no good, because you don't
know how to use it.

	This is a strange sort of silence, and does not invite us to
co-operate.

	When you invented dbgp there were other protocols in existence, not
sure why we are expected to reuse a protocol. It so happens that the
phpstorm guys working on integration seemed keen on something new. I
don't see the problem in that. If the only reason it exists is for
projects like phpstorm and they are actually going to put time into
trying something new, then why the hell not.

	I'm not sure why it matters what kind of language we use on phpdbg.com,
not sure why you think it should be under the control of the php group
either.

	If you had wanted to co-operate, you could have spoken to me at that
conference in person, or to any of us in IRC, on any day. You chose to
do what pleased you.

	We should be allowed to do the same.

Joe