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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:20:37 +0800
Cc: Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>,
 Laruence <laruence@php.net>,
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: PHP 7.0 timeline
From: tjerk.meesters@gmail.com (Tjerk Meesters)


On 15 Oct 2014, at 01:24, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com> wrote:

> On 10/14/2014 10:14 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
>> Hi!
>>=20
>>> IMO,  AST, INT64, NG, Uniforme variables style is enough for a new
>>> marjor version.. why we still need to wait?
>>=20
>> We don't need to just "wait", as sit and do nothing. We need to =
allocate
>> time for other features.
>=20
> There are also quite a few really low-level changes in master right =
now.
> It is going to take quite a bit of time to stabilize. For example,
> something as basic as array iteration is inadvertently different:
>=20
>  https://bugs.php.net/68215

This is a known issue for which the test cases were marked as XFAIL =
because of the amount of work involved to get it fixed:

=
https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/5831cca9576f4e0d4daed75a9915d436dfc5=
f4e5

>=20
> PHP is a mature project with reams and reams of legacy code out there.
> Every single change, no matter how small, is like throwing a hand
> grenade in a lake. There is the initial explosion and chaos and then =
the
> ripples that go on and on. Dealing with all these ripples takes a lot
> more time than most people think. For people who think that 1 year =
from
> now is slow and conservative, it really isn't. It is quite aggressive
> given the number of really low-level changes that are already in =
master.
> Even if we froze the tree today I expect it could stretch to close to =
a
> year to stabilize.
>=20
> -Rasmus
>=20
> --=20
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>=20