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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:50:05 +0200
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Remove deprecated functionality in PHP 7
From: jpauli@php.net (Julien Pauli)

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> For the record, I don't feel strongly about # comments, but I do think that
>> we should have good reasons to actually *remove* features that are better
>> than "this is how it's done".  Valid reasons can be performance penalties of
>> keeping the feature, security issues, or potential significant reduction in
>> codebase complexity.  I'm not sure whether # comments fall into any of these
>> buckets, but sounds like they don't.
>>
>> <broken_record>Each and every feature we break makes it a bit more difficult
>> to upgrade.  The more difficult we make it - the more people are likely to
>> stick with old insecure versions, or visit alternative
>> options</broken_record>
>
> I have to agree with Zeev here, with one additional note.
>
> We have chosen to deprecate features, including ext/mysql. If we now
> decide not to remove some of them for 7, we may just remove the
> deprecation flag as we are going to support them for the next decade
> as well, whether we like it or not.

I'm +1 with that idea :-)

>
> From the distros/pecl vs core, it is in my humble opinion, a non
> issue. Most of the major applications support alternative drivers now,
> including the most conservative ones like Wordpress (it is not badly
> meant, only a a statement about the situation). Distros tend to enable
> by default what the core provides or enables by default. PHP7 will be
> no different. Keeping it forever won't help. Removing it may not help
> as much as we wish but it will be a clear, loud and unambiguous
> signal, which is a good step forward.

Yep, this would clearly show our position.
After that, distros of course do what they want.


Julien