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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:17:12 +0300
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To: Robert Stoll <php@tutteli.ch>, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@gmail.com>, Andrey Andreev <narf@devilix.net>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Stoll [mailto:php@tutteli.ch]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: 'Ferenc Kovacs'; 'Andrey Andreev'
> Cc: 'Florian Anderiasch'; 'Zeev Suraski'; 'Derick Rethans'; 'Andrea
> Faulds'; 'PHP
> internals'
> Subject: AW: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on
> RFCs?
>
>
> > one of your pr's did not keep the author info, it seems as it was
> > squashed
> into a single commit:
> > http://git.php.net/?p=3Dphp-
> src.git;a=3Dcommit;h=3Dec2fff80e768dfb04aa393c06
> > a2b1a42a9e871ff so it isn't a problem with the list, but how your PR
> > was merged.
> > ofc. probably there are other similar cases, so the potential number
> > of people with more than 20 commits could be different, but this the
> > info
> we have easy access to, and I don't think that it would change the number=
s
> significantly.
> >
> > --
> > Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs
> > @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
>
> I do not think it makes sense to take the number of commits as metric.

I'd welcome better suggestions if anybody has any.  I think the complete
lack of metrics and exceptionally low barrier to voting is a much bigger
problem.

Perhaps LoC?

That said, 20 commits is an exceptionally low bar IMHO to get a say for a
project with a *HUGE* impact such as PHP.  I think it might look high since
people got used to the idea that they can vote even if they've never
contributed anything to PHP at all.  I suspect that if I asked people from
the Linux Kernel community what they think about the idea that someone who
contributed 20 commits to the kernel would have the same say as Linus
Torvalds, they'd think I had a bit too much to drink.

Zeev