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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:57:47 +0200
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To: Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Integer Semantics
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > I didn=E2=80=99t close it because the time suited me most. I made an ho=
nest
> > mistake and closed it 22 or so hours early because I forgot I=E2=80=99d
> > opened the vote at ~23:00 and not ~02:00. Unfortunately, I realised
> > my mistake after merging the patch. This was definitely not
> > intentional.
>
> That's why we should not rush to merge changes on a vote when there are
> significant objections. There's nothing that mandated this change to be
> merged immediately after the voting closing, as far as I can see. Yes,
> we do not want to make the process endless, but it's better to wait just
> a bit and ensure everybody is satisfied or at least reasonably listened
> to. Begging people off-list to retract the votes and then close it
> earlier on a very marginal result definitely looks like gaming the
> system, even if the intent was not to do that. But the intent is only
> known to one person, and the actions can be seen by all, so I think it's
> better to take extra care here. We want the voting to be means of
> enhancing the consensus, not something that would leave people losing
> the confidence in the whole process.
> --
> Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
> SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/
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>
yeah, and when there is like 12 minutes between the last required vote
casted and the vote being casted(almost a day earlier), it is easy to jump
to conclusions.
but putting that aside, what do we do now?
Personally I agree that it is a valid concern that some people could have
missed the voting period because of this: We already discussed recently
that even a week is a bit short (anybody can have a week of vacation etc.)
but that is the minimum mandated by the voting rfc, and seeing how close
the vote was, I think it would be a good idea to extend the voting.
What do you think?

ps: I would prefer not reverting the change to save some work/history
obfuscation in case if the result stays.

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Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs
@Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu

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