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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:06:23 +0200
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To: Florian Anderiasch <ml@anderiasch.de>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Florian Anderiasch <ml@anderiasch.de> wrote:
> On 09/22/2014 08:56 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>> The first bullet is the one this thread deals with so far.  It clearly
>> states that having an SVN account isn't enough - but that code contributions
>> to PHP are mandatory.  We should probably consider revising that to also
>> account for people contributing docs and other types of submissions.  I'd
>> also consider adding a requirement for contributing at least X commits (say
>> 20 or 50) so that someone who did a one-off or two-off patch won't have the
>> same vote as someone who contributed  hundreds or thousands of commits.  I
>> believe this data can be easily pulled from git.
>
> That's a horrible idea. From a very quick unscientific glance at
> https://github.com/php/php-src/graphs/contributors there's only ~50
> people *ever* to have more than 20 commits in php-src. (Incidentally I'm
> at the very bottom with 22, should I be happy to just have made the cut
> if php-src commits are the only metric?)
>
> I'm not saying karma could be revoked after a few years, especially if
> there were cases where it was given back instantly on return, but this
> all sounds like a bureaucratic mess. Also, how do you value people
> reproducing bugs, checking the bugtracker, testing every build, etc.pp?
> There are a lot of tasks that are a lot more important in every day work
> than only writing internals code.
>
> I don't have a solution ready, but maybe I'm just too much in the middle
> ground - not a day to day contributor, but with an account nearly 11
> years old and enough inactivity breaks of months to years I feel
> entitled enough to see both sides.

also the method is by far buggy, for me at least :) I have way more
than 133 commits in php history, maybe got lost somehow in git
migration, no idea :)

https://www.openhub.net/p/php/contributors?query=&sort=commits shows
more but also incomplete, for what php-src contains.

The funny part is when we look at the recent, or 1-5 years activity,
if we begin to apply such insane filters to allow votes, some may not
even vote anymore. In short, let trash this horrible idea.

Cheers,
--
Pierre

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