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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?
From: ml@anderiasch.de (Florian Anderiasch)

On 09/22/2014 08:56 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> The first bullet is the one this thread deals with so far.  It clearly
> states that having an SVN account isn't enough - but that code contributions
> to PHP are mandatory.  We should probably consider revising that to also
> account for people contributing docs and other types of submissions.  I'd
> also consider adding a requirement for contributing at least X commits (say
> 20 or 50) so that someone who did a one-off or two-off patch won't have the
> same vote as someone who contributed  hundreds or thousands of commits.  I
> believe this data can be easily pulled from git.

That's a horrible idea. From a very quick unscientific glance at
https://github.com/php/php-src/graphs/contributors there's only ~50
people *ever* to have more than 20 commits in php-src. (Incidentally I'm
at the very bottom with 22, should I be happy to just have made the cut
if php-src commits are the only metric?)

I'm not saying karma could be revoked after a few years, especially if
there were cases where it was given back instantly on return, but this
all sounds like a bureaucratic mess. Also, how do you value people
reproducing bugs, checking the bugtracker, testing every build, etc.pp?
There are a lot of tasks that are a lot more important in every day work
than only writing internals code.

I don't have a solution ready, but maybe I'm just too much in the middle
ground - not a day to day contributor, but with an account nearly 11
years old and enough inactivity breaks of months to years I feel
entitled enough to see both sides.

Greetings,
Florian