Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:77487 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 2066 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2014 20:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 20:19:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 108.166.43.91 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 108.166.43.91 smtp91.ord1c.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [108.166.43.91] ([108.166.43.91:45378] helo=smtp91.ord1c.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 06/34-10955-16480245 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:19:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9F85118028D; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp4.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 1AEC518028F; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com Received: from Stass-MacBook-Pro.local ([UNAVAILABLE]. [74.85.23.222]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.2.10); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:19:43 GMT Message-ID: <54208461.8020906@sugarcrm.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:19:45 -0700 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrea Faulds CC: PHP internals References: <4D27A10E-6EC6-4806-94DB-1BF1B976CA7D@ajf.me> <600A7E27-7E6F-4ECF-805F-D62814AA3AB2@ajf.me> In-Reply-To: <600A7E27-7E6F-4ECF-805F-D62814AA3AB2@ajf.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Integer Semantics From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > I didn’t close it because the time suited me most. I made an honest > mistake and closed it 22 or so hours early because I forgot I’d > opened the vote at ~23:00 and not ~02:00. Unfortunately, I realised > my mistake after merging the patch. This was definitely not > intentional. That's why we should not rush to merge changes on a vote when there are significant objections. There's nothing that mandated this change to be merged immediately after the voting closing, as far as I can see. Yes, we do not want to make the process endless, but it's better to wait just a bit and ensure everybody is satisfied or at least reasonably listened to. Begging people off-list to retract the votes and then close it earlier on a very marginal result definitely looks like gaming the system, even if the intent was not to do that. But the intent is only known to one person, and the actions can be seen by all, so I think it's better to take extra care here. We want the voting to be means of enhancing the consensus, not something that would leave people losing the confidence in the whole process. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/