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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:05:28 +0200
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Integer Semantics
From: levim@php.net (Levi Morrison)

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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 22, 2014 3:31 PM, "Derick Rethans" <derick@php.net> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Michael Wallner wrote:
> >
> > > On 2014-09-22 14:08, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 22 Sep 2014, at 12:06, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I would also like to point out that, just like a 8:8 vote is not a
> > > >> "50% majority", 16:8 is technically also not a two thirds
> > > >> *majority*. The RFC, like with many other important things is of
> > > >> course too vague on this.
> > >
> > > The "+1" is only for 50% majorities.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > An 8:8 vote is not a majority, no, but a 9:8 would be a 50%+1
> > > > majority.
> > > >
> > > > A 16:8 vote *is* a 2/3 majority.
> > >
> > > Yes, I think so, too.
> >
> > I disagree, but the main point was something else.
>
> Right, but what would be 2/3 of 24 votes for you then?
>
> > The "voting RFC" should be more clear on this. I don't think it is now.
> > It's a pretty vague RFC in the first place, and leaves way too much
> > open for interpretation.
>
> For? # of votes?
>

I have actually been working with several other people trying to come up
with smarter rules for the way we work with RFCs. Undoubtably, confusion
about what constitutes a "language change" is a huge issue. To be
completely honest, I would prefer that we require 2/3 on all RFCs. PHP is a
mature language; if we can't get 2/3 to agree on something it probably
isn't good for the whole of the PHP project.

I don't want to say anything else here, as technically this is thread
hijacking (sorry Andrea) but I am very interested in collaborating with
anyone who would like to try to improve the RFC process. Perhaps reply to
me off-list if you are also interested.

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