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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:39:58 +0200
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To: Derick Rethans <derick@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On Sep 22, 2014 3:29 PM, "Derick Rethans" <derick@php.net> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Andrey Andreev wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Andrea Faulds <ajf@ajf.me> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 22 Sep 2014, at 12:32, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Perhaps I=E2=80=99m being unfair and overthinking things, but I won=
der if
> > >>> it is really fair for people who have no karma, i.e. not
> > >>> contributors to the documentation, extensions, php-src or anything
> > >>> else, to have the ability to vote on RFCs?
> > >>>
> > >>> I=E2=80=99d never suggest people without internals karma can=E2=80=
=99t vote. I
> > >>> think doc and peck contributors are as valued as any other
> > >>> contributors. However, people with no karma whatsoever (a blank
> > >>> people.php.net page) voting irks me.
> > >>
> > >> I think people's votes should only count if they have karma to the
> > >> section of the code that the RFC/feature/whatever relates to.
> > >
> > > Is that really fair? If we break BC, plenty of userland developers
> > > might be affected and they should have a right to chime in.
> >
> > That would be quite unfair, not just because of BC breaks and/or
> > userland developers' votes (there aren't many, afaik).
> > Practically every language change would be decided by only a handful
> > of people, while it should be important that many votes are gathered
> > for important decisions.
>
> There is a big difference between votes, and voices. Voices should
> definitely be listened too.

We agree on listening. Only not on how we listen.

> Derick
>
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