Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:77464 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51357 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2014 13:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 13:29:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:43547] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B5/D3-31799-E3420245 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:29:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 775E4115416; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:29:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:29:30 +0100 (BST) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Andrey Andreev cc: Andrea Faulds , PHP internals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8DEFB90E-0F7F-4876-890D-D4AD1C655D87@ajf.me> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323329-80217819-1411392570=:4267" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs? From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) --8323329-80217819-1411392570=:4267 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Andrey Andreev wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > > > On 22 Sep 2014, at 12:32, Derick Rethans wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote: > >> > >>> Perhaps I=E2=80=99m being unfair and overthinking things, but I wonde= r if=20 > >>> it is really fair for people who have no karma, i.e. not=20 > >>> contributors to the documentation, extensions, php-src or anything=20 > >>> else, to have the ability to vote on RFCs? > >>> > >>> I=E2=80=99d never suggest people without internals karma can=E2=80=99= t vote. I=20 > >>> think doc and peck contributors are as valued as any other=20 > >>> contributors. However, people with no karma whatsoever (a blank=20 > >>> people.php.net page) voting irks me. > >> > >> I think people's votes should only count if they have karma to the=20 > >> section of the code that the RFC/feature/whatever relates to. > > > > Is that really fair? If we break BC, plenty of userland developers=20 > > might be affected and they should have a right to chime in. >=20 > That would be quite unfair, not just because of BC breaks and/or > userland developers' votes (there aren't many, afaik). > Practically every language change would be decided by only a handful > of people, while it should be important that many votes are gathered > for important decisions. There is a big difference between votes, and voices. Voices should=20 definitely be listened too. Derick --8323329-80217819-1411392570=:4267--