Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:77461 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43356 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2014 12:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 12:16:44 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=narf@devilix.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=narf@devilix.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain devilix.net designates 209.85.219.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: narf@devilix.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.219.47 mail-oa0-f47.google.com Received: from [209.85.219.47] ([209.85.219.47:60966] helo=mail-oa0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 30/72-31799-B2310245 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:16:43 -0400 Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id g18so3824688oah.6 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=devilix.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CSNG2RO/ReTkJuf2Ck5Z4Ww3Mo++Yj7EsybL3CwiyaA=; b=N//g7m9MykeekOgwgQpWy3iOgAQiKoz2dYiU4xiVdmHtxXkrVS8bVIg9Ikc9Yj0D8r zODbS81EsghteHy0DHuYIROy3b7IPHjoUPU2aH6wz0/cV/3m2T6XZeVaTe66s83nty/t pGGFDzOXrj/gmbXHpNxvkNl2fpwi/Evc+2c8k= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CSNG2RO/ReTkJuf2Ck5Z4Ww3Mo++Yj7EsybL3CwiyaA=; b=nOWCohUT1p3a/rIw6kmvHHYchJ2Lz3s+OMp9Z79Fw2Eckd9jCfcfr0TYweyft5GOyS EW/sSL1nWaB3NrKcykHGSigyAodTHdE+gnHj+9GyOUjxCFiTzF4XsbUAqDvmehfdfObV a95PPiaTg6Qn6blYXS0qqmUIrh7xX8bjwM3ncb0Nvra69pjTQhYfBo7nL7c/CKXDYTV9 MfPfbGk6RCuideMqftwsApF1LNCd7kvN2ZVDS+vlChQzBqGdGEKRX4CmoEB+JzIgtdOa bN9h/i6nr/tmQqtsFHm+73RXw5on0tQ1Qz05Qxxb8mp7vcrQFUDK7cOoGhlXk5cy9Gbg Ytpw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnSd319M9RyYZykH0rRGhBij92CvKkQFmAoJIhkyBHjKBppDZlMZtFkFfVKxor273Yn9XVu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.209.101 with SMTP id ml5mr26726911obc.2.1411388200302; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.75.205 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8DEFB90E-0F7F-4876-890D-D4AD1C655D87@ajf.me> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:16:40 +0300 Message-ID: To: Andrea Faulds Cc: Derick Rethans , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs? From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev) On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > On 22 Sep 2014, at 12:32, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote: >> >>> Perhaps I=E2=80=99m being unfair and overthinking things, but I wonder = if it >>> is really fair for people who have no karma, i.e. not contributors to >>> the documentation, extensions, php-src or anything else, to have the >>> ability to vote on RFCs? >>> >>> I=E2=80=99d never suggest people without internals karma can=E2=80=99t = vote. I think >>> doc and peck contributors are as valued as any other contributors. >>> However, people with no karma whatsoever (a blank people.php.net page) >>> voting irks me. >> >> I think people's votes should only count if they have karma to the >> section of the code that the RFC/feature/whatever relates to. > > Is that really fair? If we break BC, plenty of userland developers might = be affected and they should have a right to chime in. That would be quite unfair, not just because of BC breaks and/or userland developers' votes (there aren't many, afaik). Practically every language change would be decided by only a handful of people, while it should be important that many votes are gathered for important decisions. Cheers, Andrey.