Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:77455 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33402 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2014 11:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Sep 2014 11:31:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:50227] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 16/50-31799-B7800245 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 07:31:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82957115404; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:31:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:31:03 +0100 (BST) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Patrick Schaaf cc: Andrea Faulds , internals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <63FFDE7B-4156-4BE2-9754-3F32E148C7B8@ajf.me> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Null Coalesce Operator From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Patrick Schaaf wrote: > Am 20.09.2014 01:35 schrieb "Andrea Faulds" : > > > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/isset_ternary#vote > > Hi, > > got a question after being bitten my the issue yesterday in the context of > the "@yadda ?: 'default'" form yesterday: > > What about yadda that results, at the moment, in fatal errors?? Things like > static::$missingproperty, $this->missingmethod(), and other stuff? > > Will the ?? operator > A) make these non-fatal > B) silently fatal (like now when @ is used) It should be this one to be consistent. @ is shit, but sadly can not be avoided in all situations. cheers, Derick