Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:77409 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1093 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2014 07:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Sep 2014 07:13:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.214 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.214 mail4-2.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.214] ([217.147.176.214:46914] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 02/37-55126-98A7E145 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 03:13:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 24636 invoked by uid 89); 21 Sep 2014 07:13:10 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 24630, pid: 24633, t: 0.0772s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52/d:10677 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.8?) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 21 Sep 2014 07:13:10 -0000 Message-ID: <541E7A85.3060004@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:13:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <8DEFB90E-0F7F-4876-890D-D4AD1C655D87@ajf.me> <541D4642.2010400@lsces.co.uk> <541D6A50.4010200@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <541D6A50.4010200@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs? From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) On 20/09/14 12:51, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 20/09/2014 10:17, Lester Caine wrote: >> That most of my spare time is still being taken up >> living with the consequences of changes in PHP is water under the bridge >> now [...] PLEASE can we get >> back to a level playing field and use PHP7 as a base to get something >> stable and fully compatible with modern requirements. Only put stuff in >> PHP5 now that is NEEDED so we can finally catch up! > > Please refrain from turning every conversation into an excuse to jump on > your soapbox about the direction PHP is going. Your general points have > surely been raised and debated many times over by now, and there is no > language change discussed in this thread for you to make specific points > for or against. > > I have no right - and no desire - to rob you of your voice, but am sure > your energy could be better directed to more specific goals. Given that the bulk of users ARE still stuck with PHP5.2 or 5.3, and the BULK of the movement in usages is from 5.2 to 5.4, I would say that THIS is a much bigger vote for maintaining some stability. It is also a big indicator that who actually votes on the RFC's is somewhat academic! There is not a high demand for much of the tinkering going on, and I see little pressure in the field to take them up. Any heavily used framework has to maintain compatibility with PHP5.3 currently. ( And who is using PHP5.7 live? ) My own current roadmap is to get everything over to PHP5.4 and then look at where the core is by which time I hope my next step will be to PHP7 skipping anything being discussed for 5.x now anyway. http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_details/pl-php/5 http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/5/all -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk