Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:77384 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23663 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2014 14:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Sep 2014 14:49:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=leight@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=leight@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: leight@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.178 mail-we0-f178.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.178] ([74.125.82.178:32773] helo=mail-we0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D7/35-24334-F049D145 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:49:52 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id t60so988198wes.9 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QMP0Gpvw13VvAzp+Wvb7Kz5TAQ9X9rRPDFfPeZ0C7xg=; b=sQj67O/ynAz64U6DIFRHMxpCFd0IAkPvAwTyAP2hkgTqjJei6IGY5DWGc6zikgZW13 9MSV6ImXbpfU8Pv1gwWSxewn7y9KvU/hkLjygL3AgqCn+YvAePJwU6sAV7rb2owUFLs5 ZFGcdT1L9/JW23xG02M1Gq+XJBD8G9Dh36XshDpxvMQ7MPW7bvnZy/UWDKFTkhmFgwS1 TGXn1AbIwoHOpKMxnmPp5Y+OFl1eJbTEvK/QJ0mf12H/PyiIaswdjdnjo4/vyo4grWFt Ljc+Ckj3CoOz+pjIH/nSj7OYOdnLAITCoTxw1n/FWyHcZbzm73exOfn0ARtwNJVnNWnX qb5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.249.164 with SMTP id yv4mr8545787wjc.34.1411224588468; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.55.195 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1411223823.3023.101.camel@guybrush> References: <8DEFB90E-0F7F-4876-890D-D4AD1C655D87@ajf.me> <1411223823.3023.101.camel@guybrush> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:49:48 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Johannes_Schl=C3=BCter?= Cc: Andrea Faulds , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs? From: leight@gmail.com (Leigh) On 20 September 2014 15:37, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter = wrote: > > It is unclear what a "no" means. Might be a related to the patch the > design, a misunderstanding or due to a critical issue ... in the end a > vote creates "losers" with little feedback. > > But well, I'm saying this from day one of the voting. > > johannes > This is my opinion exactly Some people who vote no are involved in the internals discussion, and that's great. But some people vote no without a word. How do we know they even understand the impact of their vote? Without their feedback how can the proposal be improved? Even if they say "I'm voting no because of all of the reasons stated by Person X", that's enough to know that more than one person doesn't like a specific aspect, and makes it a higher priority for improvement.