Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:77366 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76025 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2014 05:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Sep 2014 05:06:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.216.48 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.48 mail-qa0-f48.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.48] ([209.85.216.48:58525] helo=mail-qa0-f48.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B3/1A-13213-15B0D145 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 01:06:26 -0400 Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id v10so3459152qac.7 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:06:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vBv7Lh+NTRH+oZeWg1qBXNkosGVdMlkJM1zQSrtSd1o=; b=cfI6GR9+oK4IE1FbVSIdNjInzgnqGuCa9PUU8oAv/3XDZ4tDUrMQY+xsJqbNxZjJ/m wz5gfLNhVjuSocGHwKE/ZKlRSOaMAO9TgCGSwz+bskV4jdNdBCcRMljo6gm+NTfG3o3+ sFYUmannmE6Uv2lbp6Uy/zvIendj8+HplClYZ+Sh0Y0Y4mzzTWyK1rls0rMEGRhDw2ga ryP4QZl06jDpLGJeNACxSZvVLarO3VWZqE6fqW4mhzkGXHiOylgmXOb3FiLePcmn6tEj niNkx+cOsY218YjiscPY+s1fMAqHIJ9yQx7R8WiDtPrPVn+l6WiQJXjAh4V3vgxUt0i0 moLQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.51.197 with SMTP id e5mr6343849qag.48.1411189583438; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.22.51 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.22.51 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:06:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8DEFB90E-0F7F-4876-890D-D4AD1C655D87@ajf.me> References: <8DEFB90E-0F7F-4876-890D-D4AD1C655D87@ajf.me> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:06:23 +0200 Message-ID: To: Andrea Faulds Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2d35ed4ec370503782d12 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs? From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) --001a11c2d35ed4ec370503782d12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Sep 20, 2014 8:29 AM, "Andrea Faulds" wrote: > > Hi! > > Perhaps I=E2=80=99m being unfair and overthinking things, but I wonder if= it is really fair for people who have no karma, i.e. not contributors to the documentation, extensions, php-src or anything else, to have the ability to vote on RFCs? > > I=E2=80=99d never suggest people without internals karma can=E2=80=99t vo= te. I think doc and peck contributors are as valued as any other contributors. However, people with no karma whatsoever (a blank people.php.net page) voting irks me. > > Thoughts? I am not sure what brings you here but the idea of community votes was one of the top thing when we introduced the voting RFC. Thinking that we do not care what symfony, composer, zend framework, lavahel (if they like to), drupal lead developers think about what we plan to do then we will go back to a very dark time. We may improve how it is done. But killing communities voices is a very bad idea. It is also important to keep in mind the RFCs, blocking ppl were not them. Or ppl having strong opinions for one way or another, me or other, were not part of these communities voices. So I do not think the impact of their votes is that large anyway. Cheers, Pierre --001a11c2d35ed4ec370503782d12--