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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Implicit isset() in Shorthand Ternary Operator
From: gwynne@darkrainfall.org (Gwynne Raskind)

On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:40, Matthew Fonda <mfonda@php.net> wrote:
> Hi Andrea,
>=20
> This is great -- thanks to you and Nikita for the work here.
>=20
> Syntax wise, I would prefer a function-like syntax, e.g. coalesce($a, =
$b,
> 'c') or ifsetor() instead of $a ?? $b ?? 'c'. I find this more =
readable,
> and it avoids any possible confusion about precedence within the
> expressions. Either way, still +1 for this feature.
>=20
> Best regards,
> --Matthew

I=92m STRONGLY +1 in favor of this operator, ASAP; I=92ve had to write =
more than a few hacks to keep a large codebase I=92m responsible from =
being a complete mess of isset() checks - 5.6 has saved me a lot of what =
used to be ugly workarounds (variadic functions anyone?), but this one =
still haunts me.

I would argue for both coalesce() (as a language token) and ?? and ??=3D, =
as shorthand forms, giving the user a choice as to which they find more =
readable. ?? is standard in both .NET and Apple=92s Swift language - =
Apple added it to Swift (including the chaining behavior) early during =
the beta cycle due to user demand for exactly this kind of logic, and =
it=92s been part of C# for a long time.

-- Gwynne Raskind