Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:76571 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1046 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2014 22:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Aug 2014 22:19:57 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.114.215.11 experimentalworks.net Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:19:55 -0400 Received: from [217.114.215.11] ([217.114.215.11:3608] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1C/10-34004-B878EE35 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:19:55 -0400 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <5C97D818-4616-440D-9C0D-B9F9C8D034DC@ajf.me> User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux) Message-ID: X-Posted-By: 217.114.215.11 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Let's make a 5.7 release From: dsp@php.net (David Soria Parra) On 2014-08-15, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > --001a11c1258a38c82a0500a8b070 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > we don't have a single instance where we were able to deliver a minor > release under a year, and I'm fairly sure that 7.0 will see more proposed > features/changes as any previous minor, because there are stuff which can > only happen in a major version. > More changes(both in numbers and in impact) will need more time to > stabilize, so I think that the one year roadmap for 7.0 is unrealistic. > You seem to be arguing that 5.7 would pull away resources from 7.0, but I'm > fairly sure that 5.7 would be the smallest of the 5.x minor versions for > two reasons: we are getting better with not letting BC breaks slip in in > minors plus working on a major version is much more interesting as you have > less restrictions, so I think that 5.7 will/would be only to make the bed > for 7.0, mostly introducing E_DEPRECATEDs and maybe a handfull of small > features. > I think that there is no reason to give up our current release policy and > roadmap, and bet everything on PHP7, we don't lose anything with keeping > 5.7. My main concern with this is that it's php6 all over again. A PHP 7 where everyone waits and pushes all their new stuff in their but nobody actually ever releases because "one more feature" or they are too busy maintaining the old series. I personally feel PHP7 will be stale and slowly die if we do a 5.7, or who wants to even further support multiple branches with different APIs (didn't we learn anything from PHP 6?).