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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Let's make a 5.7 release
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On Aug 15, 2014 12:43 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> >
> > > I=E2=80=99ve kept putting this off, but given the current =E2=80=9Cmo=
ve phpng to
> > > master=E2=80=9D vote, I really can=E2=80=99t delay this any longer.
> > >
> > > It looks like PHP 7 is going to happen and phpng will be the base of
> > > that. While we could move straight to PHP 7 after the release of PHP
> > > 5.6, I think there is some merit in having one more 5.x release,
> > > namely 5.7, which would follow our usual release process and come out
> > > next year.
> >
> > Basically, you're wanting to give up hope on PHP 7 in one year *at the
> > moment it is started*... I think that's a pretty big mistake to do this
> > already. The momentum is here now, let's use it to get PHP 7
> > ready=E2=80=94instead of bogging ourselves down with a PHP 5.7.
> >
>
> we don't have a single instance where we were able to deliver a minor
> release under a year, and I'm fairly sure that 7.0 will see more proposed
> features/changes as any previous minor, because there are stuff which can
> only happen in a major version.
> More changes(both in numbers and in impact) will need more time to
> stabilize, so I think that the one year roadmap for 7.0 is unrealistic.
> You seem to be arguing that 5.7 would pull away resources from 7.0, but
I'm
> fairly sure that 5.7 would be the smallest of the 5.x minor versions for
> two reasons: we are getting better with not letting BC breaks slip in in
> minors plus working on a major version is much more interesting as you
have
> less restrictions, so I think that 5.7 will/would be only to make the bed
> for 7.0, mostly introducing E_DEPRECATEDs and maybe a handfull of small
> features.
> I think that there is no reason to give up our current release policy and
> roadmap, and bet everything on PHP7, we don't lose anything with keeping
> 5.7.

I cannot agree more with you here.

And the delay something like bundling opcache needed almost 300% more time
than what was promised. I won't even imagine what phpng will be in we rush
it.

Cheers,
Pierre

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