Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:76205 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74472 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2014 22:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Jul 2014 22:54:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=yohgaki@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=yohgaki@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.43 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: yohgaki@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.43 mail-la0-f43.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.43] ([209.85.215.43:47526] helo=mail-la0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B6/00-07942-B3385D35 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:54:52 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hr17so4846887lab.16 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:54:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=0rseMhRg1Su1fpU40FRxtSYVhek+pSMNkOsptJIwUg4=; b=WRITj6eW/1RGqibiGlxOEIWTADcXNuqCFOocBku2xs7CpSeZT/mpfq+9u0+S+/yV7N AONKP7UcnTa4CEEPFEfPdSULGxqZnRw59ZL8AboYtibG1j6rMBuxQy4b9pAZKHeMgNxp P5I5Vmp7cm2aN1ShC5MjFO87IKXo4sw/KDSdOJJK1HGUrLL2cSbTbRw2qOLYBlGe3i1E eVCdCsQabBRm0A+xkwYpPW1qoyc8IJt7qKY3cng6ayOXepa7WHdP+aNG3TDqxxl/txvE bimSfpkyFFYQRA3ww+PMLkryymLbv/fwBxP+KBoYfvyUU6mCMs6ELyToMJ0Kvo4NYTc8 3juA== X-Received: by 10.152.182.230 with SMTP id eh6mr31367470lac.44.1406501699487; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:54:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: yohgaki@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.214.228 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:54:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <678E1F20-9F37-49DF-B48A-097B17389586@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 07:54:18 +0900 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UPuiLdwy2s5SU8PkBK3YPWvrHQE Message-ID: To: Michael Wallner Cc: Kris Craig , PHP Internals , Zeev Suraski Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113444282c902d04ff34b2e7 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master From: yohgaki@ohgaki.net (Yasuo Ohgaki) --001a113444282c902d04ff34b2e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: > > On 27 Jul 2014 09:26, "Kris Craig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Michael Wallner < > mike.php.net@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 27 Jul 2014 08:23, "Kris Craig" wrote: > >> > > >> > Here's my question to counter yours, Michael: What's the rush? > >> > > >> > >> Every day php-ng is not GA, PHP is losing ground to its competitors. > > > > Umm, how? Do you have any data to support this? According to > http://php.net/usage.php, as of 2012, PHP's usage is steadily increasing. > As far as our competitors are concerned, well: > > > > > http://w3techs.com/technologies/comparison/pl-java,pl-php,pl-ruby,pl-python > > > > > > As you can see, PHP continues to dominate with over 80% market share and > no signs-- at least, none that I can see-- that we are "losing ground" as > you stated. > > > > Surely it's wise to make the same wrong assumptions Microsoft did with > Internet Explorer? > PHP is losing as a general scripting language for sure. JavaScript is winning in this area even if it was originated as "a web client scripting language". http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://langpop.com/ We are better to consider this situation seriously. IMHO. Focus on web as well as encourage general usage is what we need. Making PHP a choice for "new" project should be one of the most important objective. Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohgaki@ohgaki.net --001a113444282c902d04ff34b2e7--