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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Language Specification
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)

On 26/07/2014 22:55, Chris Wright wrote:
> On 25 July 2014 17:25, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote:
>> On 7/24/14, 2:38 PM, Sara Golemon wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Rowan Collins <rowan.collins@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Zend is only one of many
>>>>> contributors. Yes, the engine is still named Zend Engine but the
>>>>> language has been improved by many php.net contributors.
>>>>>
>>>> The idea was that "ZPHP" is PHP running on top of the Zend Engine, in the
>>>> same way that "JRuby" is Ruby running on top of the JVM, and "CPython" is
>>>> Python implemented in C.  In my mind, it doesn't imply any connection to
>>>> the
>>>> company of the same name - especially if we're only borrowing its first
>>>> letter - but perhaps others would see that differently.
>>>>
>>> We (HHVM) ran into this issue as well.  We'd talk about the way PHP
>>> (the reference implementation) does something and needed to
>>> disambiguate it from PHP (the language syntax).  Prior to my joining
>>> the project "Zend" was the go-to moniker for this.  Since I've seen
>>> that go down very poorly many times in the past (who here remembers
>>> the ZendCon where they included "Zend === PHP" on their marketing
>>> materials?) I pushed the team towards saying "PHP5" when referring to
>>> the implementation, and "PHP" when referring to the language syntax.
>>>
>>> That's not really a solution for us (PHP), but I do think the issue of
>>> separating the language from the implementation is useful, even if our
>>> (PHP) implementation of PHP (syntax) is and will always be the
>>> de-facto reference implementation.
>>>
>>> -Sara
>>>
>>> P.S. - Pronouns are getting hard, yo.
>>
>> Until we figure it out, I will be referring to the current common
>> implementation as "Zippy".  Hopefully it catches on.
>>
> Sounds like a Zend ImPlementation of PYthon...
>

All I could think was "in that case, who's Bungle?" ;)

-- 
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]