Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:76167 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43030 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2014 22:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jul 2014 22:32:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 192.64.116.216 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 192.64.116.216 imap10-3.ox.privateemail.com Received: from [192.64.116.216] ([192.64.116.216:51087] helo=imap10-3.ox.privateemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 44/06-22380-29C24D35 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:32:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2DB2400C2; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:32:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap10.ox.privateemail.com Received: from mail.privateemail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap10.ox.privateemail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id S3A5GKW63tU4; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.15] (unknown [90.210.122.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA5FF24005D; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 23:32:47 +0100 Cc: Kris Craig , Yasuo Ohgaki , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <50A62A2B-AED4-4689-B01C-772135E3EA0C@ajf.me> References: To: Zeev Suraski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) On 26 Jul 2014, at 23:16, Zeev Suraski wrote: > *=93**Given that changes to languages (as opposed to changes to apps = or even > frameworks) are for the most part irreversible=94* >=20 >=20 >=20 > Implementation improvements such as PHPNG are not irreversible. New > features or changed features are. This deals with language features, = that > once we publish, we cannot take back as people already start using = them. >=20 >=20 >=20 > *=93the purpose of the vote is to ensure that there's strong support = for the > proposed feature.=94* >=20 >=20 >=20 > Is PHPNG a feature? No, it=92s not. It=92s improvements & = performance > optimizations at the implementation level. Those who have been = following > my involvement on internals@ over the years know my position about = both > feature creep and downwards compatibility, and I=92m absolutely = certain that > it was clear to them =96 most if not all =96 what the meaning here = was. That=92s > 100.0% irrelevant to PHPNG. For what it=92s worth, I=92d completely agree with Zeev here. phpng is = really just an implementation deal, it doesn=92t need a 2/3 vote, = controversial or no. -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/