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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 22:55:45 +0100
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To: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Language Specification
From: cw@daverandom.com (Chris Wright)

On 25 July 2014 17:25, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote:
> On 7/24/14, 2:38 PM, Sara Golemon wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Rowan Collins <rowan.collins@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Zend is only one of many
>>>> contributors. Yes, the engine is still named Zend Engine but the
>>>> language has been improved by many php.net contributors.
>>>>
>>> The idea was that "ZPHP" is PHP running on top of the Zend Engine, in the
>>> same way that "JRuby" is Ruby running on top of the JVM, and "CPython" is
>>> Python implemented in C.  In my mind, it doesn't imply any connection to
>>> the
>>> company of the same name - especially if we're only borrowing its first
>>> letter - but perhaps others would see that differently.
>>>
>> We (HHVM) ran into this issue as well.  We'd talk about the way PHP
>> (the reference implementation) does something and needed to
>> disambiguate it from PHP (the language syntax).  Prior to my joining
>> the project "Zend" was the go-to moniker for this.  Since I've seen
>> that go down very poorly many times in the past (who here remembers
>> the ZendCon where they included "Zend === PHP" on their marketing
>> materials?) I pushed the team towards saying "PHP5" when referring to
>> the implementation, and "PHP" when referring to the language syntax.
>>
>> That's not really a solution for us (PHP), but I do think the issue of
>> separating the language from the implementation is useful, even if our
>> (PHP) implementation of PHP (syntax) is and will always be the
>> de-facto reference implementation.
>>
>> -Sara
>>
>> P.S. - Pronouns are getting hard, yo.
>
>
> Until we figure it out, I will be referring to the current common
> implementation as "Zippy".  Hopefully it catches on.
>

Sounds like a Zend ImPlementation of PYthon...