Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:76154 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 77115 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2014 01:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jul 2014 01:42:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=bishop.bettini@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=bishop.bettini@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.217.169 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: bishop.bettini@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.217.169 mail-lb0-f169.google.com Received: from [209.85.217.169] ([209.85.217.169:52814] helo=mail-lb0-f169.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 50/42-08559-B9703D35 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:42:51 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id s7so4006618lbd.0 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:42:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=C+pT+d2lwiSt3+LqkmqKlJo2xtBhdVjGypmMCSL0/Vg=; b=0X3eGPxwP0RGQUP3je8mAe/AgSiNMtqglFSLZTHSpNQEWxx1Cq0T/Yd4g7bIfMwhrB WfYh6b6ZhYlZXIw6NcnD31yIF+c0w+NM7VuvD/AYlgHFN67U8NlI+HsdwhwCHaBsUojo Bm1PR1x9Gk6NTbYaFswCy8TLZFV/f11Ju82izvCQiClg+86NaF/Gyc8m0Mr8HdgTYb88 TOtB+jIqUeJnZ1tbWUDKenxMBPVL7jHxZVHD+eBDI342EgSyxelTWcy97A0Dx8azNXlO 0Ue+rlwTThBgwI3SPmUudnl21UGoFkEg5XpaYyTXLPltem1zrzLpFdx4PS+qOqFTrQyd j6dw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.179.137 with SMTP id dg9mr19944546lac.11.1406338975406; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: bishop@php.net Sender: bishop.bettini@gmail.com Received: by 10.152.46.178 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:42:55 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 66UEVbgJ7Ww_UyyW2mbtPVGIj7s Message-ID: To: Stas Malyshev , Peter Cowburn Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134990610205704ff0ecf40 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] On voting, including the next release name. From: bishop@php.net (Bishop Bettini) --001a1134990610205704ff0ecf40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all. TL;DR: Tweak how the voting is displayed to address some minor human factor concerns: (1) Keep all existing functionality. (2) On RFC page, show my vote stuff at top, and collapse the current results table just below my voting stuff. (3) With one click, expand the current results. Sample screenshot links below. Makes accessing my vote a little more convenient. With respect to the bandwagon effect, if there isn't one nothing is lost and if there is we reduce it some. . So I'm all for open information. My point is about human factors. When the results are listed alongside the argument, the results themselves *become part of the argument*. That is the nature of the bandwagon effect. *The brain treats the results as a data point.* While $personA might be able to compartmentalize, $personB might not. To the extent we can help people stay focused on the issue, we should, to preserve the essence of the vote. Alright, so holding results until the poll closes has larger implications. Let's focus on the human factors, because this ain't politics as (Andrea?) pointed out in an earlier thread. I believe we should keep it easy to vote, to modify my vote, and to see who has voted which way and totals... but insert a small visual "wedge" between the argument and the results. So here's a little mock-up of what I feel would be a good presentation that considers the human factor. These mocks are based on the PHP6 RFC. =3D=3D=3D "I HAVE NOT VOTED" STATE =3D=3D=3D Scenario: I load the page. I read the RFC. I am prompted to vote clearly. I have the option to see everybody else's vote (to date) with one click. [Image] Let me vote, other people's responses collapsed. [Image] Let me vote, I have expanded to see other people's responses. =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B =3D=3D=3D "I HAVE VOTED" STATE =3D=3D=3D My vote is listed, at the top, with the controls to alter my vote. Everybody else's vote is listed below mine, in alphabetical order, same as now. No click necessary to see the results. [Image] Show me my vote. I can change or delete it. I see everybody's responses and counts. =E2=80=8B This preserves the existing functionality, just shuffles it around a little bit in light of some human factors. If we suppose there isn't a bandwagon effect, then at least this makes it a tiny bit easier to change my results (always at top) and see totals (also at top). If we suppose there IS a bandwagon effect, then we get those benefits PLUS the benefit of holding back the effect some. Regards, bishop --001a1134990610205704ff0ecf40--