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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 23:03:13 +0200
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To: Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Weird constant expression syntax and bug
From: jpauli@php.net (Julien Pauli)

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:

> PHP-5.6 is frozen for new features for a long time.
> Adding new features after RC is not a good idea.
> And we will need some kind of RFC and voting.
>

I agree here.

Bob, if you've been late proposing an RFC and couldn't get it up in time,
I'm sorry about it.
Please, understand we are very close to a release, and ATM, we're still
talking about weither this *user land* feature or that *user land* feature
will
be available, makes sense, or not. (that's a technical feature, but it
involves user land here).
That can't be !

We absolutely need something we, maintainers - creators - authors , think
is *stable*.
The PHP project needs that, we all agree.

If the static array feature can't be added to the AST safely, please,
remove it.

You've already added so much new great code (AST for this example) to 5.6,
I personnally thank you about this, however now it is really time to make
it stable, and commit its new features you may think about into 5.7 (or
what will be 5.7, ATM : master) , and write new RFCs about those if needed.

Knowing your actual work in addition of that, is deep into the engine and
has inpact on OPCache, that dmitry and other contributors work hard on to
improve/fix every day, is another point that should let us think about a
minute : we just can't afford that.

5.6 is late, for many reasons. We need to release it ASAP, but not with
code we don't fully trust.

Thank you.

Julien.Pauli

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