Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:76122 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 96343 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2014 14:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jul 2014 14:06:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.176 mail-vc0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.176] ([209.85.220.176:37307] helo=mail-vc0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E2/A3-08559-07462D35 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 10:06:40 -0400 Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id id10so7245027vcb.21 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:06:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=rdfzUvL1+Om5PZjymLCgAzYo6mN9wafkZ5Z+fcscBLw=; b=FECWP8XAnmpEKzwK814F11AcJQVbUfYwwHv0qnBM6TO1k5eoChwcMLA0xy9J1F5FLW Uhn5pwXUYS/eyGoPCLBPuF5nxaTuZVXMwbBUA/BsCItTfwXv4i42B8AOy/xCnW8dEYAb l0Gm0zOrKFZ+bXKJcv6mpnVEgHuGzuEsU2xaKp0WUdVcAlg6e7j34fu+K7eKHmOyucco TCuEXJxJtpNNZFZsksB/PZIk484CeUCqqq4ZxcGV6gdi04pRWyaOB/CrXv20EXh16Sr3 nMWetaKERka4gJM4MqPYWJRNa21NvqoMuzBx2YT0obzFvRrG9sJMvFQ2DmNh4AwebKVN tExA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkqpzxbYCC58sKgCGRw67p0CLmvBLP0qjTePN23iIfreIWpGS50xLQLd1XvruK84u9sSUtY2N4hp7OPUWQNpqq4ugS9Vs48fAIaPstnQuYXCw5qhTc/lP6k27n+nbYXCDHBu7aS X-Received: by 10.220.122.132 with SMTP id l4mr20872966vcr.41.1406297204053; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:06:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <942ad7fad321579d0a2dc97511f01053@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQCRIHWVL/9muke8Gs8YMcgWB5aJLwDSgCs8AfnfgtACAJiglZ4Hd37A Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:06:42 +0300 Message-ID: <67df3067bba9b3a36b6fb3aad2268cdf@mail.gmail.com> To: JoshyPHP Cc: Ferenc Kovacs , Laruence , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] About PHP NG "document lacking" argument From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > -----Original Message----- > From: JoshyPHP [mailto:phpwnd@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 3:59 PM > To: Zeev Suraski > Cc: Ferenc Kovacs; Laruence; PHP Internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About PHP NG "document lacking" argument > > On 25 July 2014 14:14, Zeev Suraski wrote: > >> I do think that some people simply doesn't like phpng (for reasons > >> mostly not on technical grounds), and they are bringing up any issue > >> which can hinder the acceptance of phpng. > > > > I think you hit the nail on the head, Ferenc. That's why I'm > > reluctant to participate in this game. > > Do you realize that "I think that some people are doing bad things" is a > vague > character assassination? I'd prefer that over a non-vague and very public character assassination that me and others are experiencing instead. I'm also wondering why you're replying to me, when it's Ferenc that made the statement (that I backed). Ferenc, as an 'innocent bystander', sees things the way they are in a non-biased way. I think most active participants here know exactly what he's talking about. > The other side of that argument is "I feel like some > companies *wink* *wink* develop things in secret then pressure the list > into > accepting them blindly." I'm done apologizing for helping to almost double PHP's performance. I'm also done explaining why that was the only practical way, which should be obvious considering how we can't even agree on required majorities should be obvious, and was always the way major versions came to be (with the exception of PHP 6, RIP). Zeev