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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [PHP-DEV] About PHP NG "document lacking" argument

Hey:

    First of all,  I don't want to make *that* thead longer...

    as you can see, some devers says critically phpng is lacking of =
document,  and they make that as the main reason for them to against =
phpng.

    I have to say,  in my opinion it's totally ridiculous.

    1. how many devers in here really knows zend engine? how many tried =
to know it?
        I assume a little, as you can see, only a few activate zend =
engine maintainers now.  dmitry is the most experience one.

    2. does PHP really has had a good API document?

        no,  when I first tried to write a extension,  I found no =
documents, or they was far beyond outdate, I event don't know how
config.m4 works..

        I learn PHP by reading the codes, and the example under ext/*

    3. is document really important for PHPng?

        I don't think so,  PHP can always read the codes, PHP is =
opensource , it is not *MS* who need document to tell people what it did =
in dark.

     4.  is PHPng API became more ugly?  or harder to maintainable?

        I feel really bad to see somebody said such things...

        first of all. ugly, maintainable. it is too too subjective, and =
to be honest, it's obviously biased attitude.

         second,  I , the main author of PHPNG, and Nikita, Dmitry, are =
the most activate internal contributors now.  so you are saying we are =
writing ugly codes? I really can not agree with that.

         actually, the zend_hash API become more clear, and beatifuy =
than before.

         maintainable?  who is the main force to maintain the PHP =
internal now? yes, the authors of PHPNG..

         I think I have the more rights to say whether it is more =
maintainer able or not.

         and it's become more maintainable, because of more clean API =
and more reasonable logics.

    5. are we going to write docs?

        yes,  for people, who in love with PHP, who want to make PHP =
extensions, we are glad to write some APIs (which will be enough in a =
dever eye).

       actually we already doing it: =
https://wiki.php.net/phpng-upgrading

    6. is PHPng really faster?

        yes, from my own test, it get more than 80% qps improvement in =
wordpress than php-5.6 . for those big PHP users, that means they can =
save lots of money.

        I see no reason to not have such a great change. anyone who =
tried to block such a amazing feature merge into PHP, is doing crime for =
PHP.

    I am not a native english speaker,  so maybe I confused you in some =
words , sorry for that.

   I really hope the people in this group, the people who loves PHP, the =
people who want PHP become more popular here. stop less reasonable =
arguing, let's together to make this biggest change merge into PHP, make =
PHP users more easy life..

   If you think we need write doc,  let us write it.

   If you think we need more clean APIs?  please tell me what style is =
more clean, we can disccuss it,  refactor it.

   If you meet problems when you try to upgrade you extension from PHP =
to PHPng,  let's add more info into the doc, or I can do some part of =
your work for you. as I have almost refactor all the extensions under =
ext/

  and what do you want else?

  please, just, please, stop the worthless talking, I really don't want =
to see such useless words anymore..


thanks

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