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To: Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master
From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig)

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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net> wrote:

> Hi Zeev,
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>
> > The RFC is available at https://wiki.php.net/rfc/phpng
> >
> >
> >
> > Some supporting links available down below.
> >
> >
> >
> > Comments welcome!
> >
>

> While this is a major change to the language implementation, it does not
actually affect end users in any meaningful way except for the positive
=E2=80=98side effect=E2=80=99 of their apps running faster.  So while we be=
lieve that
technically a 50%+1 vote should suffice, we hope to get well over 2/3.

If you're not going to delay this, then you should at very least clarify
the wording in this section.  You believe 50%+1 should suffice but hope to
get well over 2/3.  So is the *required* majority 50%+1 or 2/3?

I should also point out that, according to the Voting RFC, whether or not
an RFC "actually affects end users in any meaningful way" is NOT a factor
in determining whether a 2/3 supermajority is required or not.  Here's what
it actually states:

> For these reasons, a feature affecting the language itself (new syntax
for example) will be considered as 'accepted' if it wins a 2/3 of the
votes. Other RFCs require 50% + 1 votes to get 'accepted'.

Since the phpng RFC already acknowledges that it affects the language
itself, this is clearly a 2/3 requirement situation.  Whether it affects
end-users or not is irrelevant.  Under current rules, your RFC must have
2/3 support in order to pass.

As such, I ask that you at least update the wording to make it clear that
2/3 *is* required for the RFC to pass in order to avoid confusion when it
comes to a vote.  I still think you should hold-off until these other
issues of dispute are resolved, though.  But that's your choice.  I simply
ask that you fix the required majority section to make it in compliance
with current voting rules.

--Kris

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