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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 02:09:53 +0400
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To: Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master
From: dmitry@zend.com (Dmitry Stogov)

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any one may vote according to their thoughts
I'm not going to persuade any one.
I already know the opinion of the majority.

Unfortunately, now many people lessen to the guys who speaks a lot.
I  was never able to do it :),  but ... look into results we provide.
They are more expressive than any words.

Thanks. Dmitry,








On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
>
>> one week - two weeks - months - years.
>> I'll wait.
>> I know what I'm doing. I'll make it.
>>
>> Dmitry.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:26 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On Jul 24, 2014 10:13 PM, "Dmitry Stogov" <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > agree,
>> > >
>> > > I just don't see any blockers, except for Pierre.
>> >
>> > Come on Dmitry, I am not the only who has asked that.
>> >
>>
>
> Just to throw in my usual two-cents, it seems to me that this RFC is very
> premature.  It's the same sort of over-eagerness I saw in the front-page
> news post a few weeks back.  I understand what you guys are trying to
> accomplish and I applaud you for it, but as far as I can see, it's still
> quite a ways away from being ready for prime time.  And yet, you seem to be
> acting like it's already there.
>
> Aside from the code needing to be ready/tested, you also need to have a
> more matured collaboration with community folks outside your project like
> Pierre, which at the moment appears to be downright hostile.  Even if the
> code looked great and everything else was in place, I would never vote to
> switch over to such a drastic new schema when there's this much animosity
> and controversy surrounding it.  I keep reading complaints about questions
> being ignored and conflicting stories about secrecy and process.  I also
> think there's some merit to the concern raised about the ambiguity being a
> prelude to patches being rejected over trivial concerns.
>
> I think you guys need to slow down and mend a few fences if you want to
> make this happen.  As much as I like the goals of this project, I'm forced
> to vote -1 for now, as well.  I just think you're jumping the gun when
> there are too many unanswered questions/concerns still out there.
>
> --Kris
>
>

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