Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75912 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29355 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2014 22:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jul 2014 22:48:49 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.220.45 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.45 mail-pa0-f45.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.45] ([209.85.220.45:45601] helo=mail-pa0-f45.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 27/79-21666-15AEEC35 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:48:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id eu11so416253pac.32 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XAImcZyHSzlDqz98gPKax3h4QAFj+6xIjwDFQhyObuQ=; b=fbcpL6YMP3ilMXEYpTz2m9tUCRAikF2XGhhd8ok6aZgUSye9tWUaLS+dyJ4JuMaQ6S 3l9GcG/7HVM7j2kYW/rfmtnFolDgXInLo67TkHx7IRPqwlnSrZ1aZ960PswChYW3YcDJ +kT5jeSqjuLy1LaY+2jU3cAScEJ28tfiYhpP6PtzwSVJ/VZies1VGVGYyZnvLVYfn+yo z/C28Ymvy1MGH/Z72gVbUzZvRW5TAi7UalbFWB6otviFI/SUxYwIBpayXwOIe4E0te42 9AXpsa8D1uMvqo8H7iMm+BPwUvcqPZ2u50DsNDjU/Ce3JTOjbF1+AUIEWVoQOcVi1/qf M9OQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkhJFi3mHz+pbqNHPdE/1/apD17821DzaKeGPIXgk733o81ilryHjWg/2/mRIai9ce5FzFC MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.127.230 with SMTP id nj6mr5630193pdb.164.1406069327270; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.70.33.208 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:48:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [173.252.71.189] In-Reply-To: References: <53CEE7A8.6030607@garfieldtech.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:48:47 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5E5y_--6BXou2zGm6uBavtH-7vA Message-ID: To: Andrea Faulds Cc: Larry Garfield , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Language Specification From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > On 22 Jul 2014, at 23:37, Larry Garfield wrote: >> The big question here, though, is whether, going forward, we'll be >> able to mentally switch to a "spec first" mentality. If not, the spec w= ill >> get out of date and become less than useful. I hope we're able to >> make that transition. > > I think that=E2=80=99s unrealistic. It will always be Zend code first, sp= ec second. > HHVM can play catch-up ;) > I dunno, with syntax changes being 2/3rd majority and our formal RFC process in place, I think we (PHP) can reasonably learn to make updating the spec a formal part of our process. -Sara