Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75910 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 28242 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2014 22:48:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jul 2014 22:48:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ben@benramsey.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ben@benramsey.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain benramsey.com from 209.85.160.179 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ben@benramsey.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.179 mail-yk0-f179.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.179] ([209.85.160.179:48532] helo=mail-yk0-f179.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1A/39-21666-82AEEC35 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:48:08 -0400 Received: by mail-yk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 142so252161ykq.38 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:48:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=DJYh68y3AhcLn5gnFf6zQXgoeRsF365Yo/v23H7ocNs=; b=XvvFGbVHxcp3jBMUKBuW1CtLcTiMoYeK0wC7u+VgGvQBWVs/ELvgaGOkBWNB3eP79T nstBXrGw0kPLXLFRot6NFW62EE2LN6NthSY3bkQ0EkmWHd2j4Lyy63p6JXdxaPEOXRjt ymtK4uGuPNeL1u8gCZVPj2kXvrE5UdDWCcuGNumva5raSGVzJOyC80AJPcKe110DZoNl Q6kXfggoR2UgvEfSI9NGmMJQzU+0PJSykIS1Vw7xBGDDzGaN8WZsHUHgg/QNuj3Bnu9j TrnJNYkEUjGZ+g6ePbmKXnujqfb0EEeBpadkjubZHzt97Vc3NeNndNYjmLaBT3B0s0k2 OMrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlxN+UFovcLuVwxVfcZzI1syaaVCByw4XpwdyrPQoCW5QHWMLnFwUdoIqLLfCEUJw8RjEUK X-Received: by 10.236.40.81 with SMTP id e57mr55063691yhb.26.1406069285516; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:5:14c0:99:adb5:692b:5bee:c7d7? ([2601:5:14c0:99:adb5:692b:5bee:c7d7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l45sm3547074yhg.55.2014.07.22.15.48.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:48:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <6026F539-CCB4-4C83-966E-4F46AC0DB0D9@benramsey.com> References: <53CEE7A8.6030607@garfieldtech.com> To: internals@lists.php.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Language Specification From: ben@benramsey.com (Ben Ramsey) On Jul 22, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Andrea Faulds wrote: > On 22 Jul 2014, at 23:37, Larry Garfield = wrote: >=20 >> The big question here, though, is whether, going forward, we'll be = able to mentally switch to a "spec first" mentality. If not, the spec = will get out of date and become less than useful. I hope we're able to = make that transition. >=20 > I think that=92s unrealistic. It will always be Zend code first, spec = second. HHVM can play catch-up ;) IMO, I think this renders the spec useless. If we=92re not going to have = a =93spec first=94 mentality, then what is the point of having a spec? = It benefits us all to think =93spec first.=94 -Ben=