Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75908 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25182 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2014 22:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jul 2014 22:41:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 192.64.116.216 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 192.64.116.216 imap10-3.ox.privateemail.com Received: from [192.64.116.216] ([192.64.116.216:45227] helo=imap10-3.ox.privateemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 70/98-21666-A88EEC35 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:41:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60F32400C3; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap10.ox.privateemail.com Received: from mail.privateemail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap10.ox.privateemail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id rfKTxGZTFAVx; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.15] (unknown [90.210.122.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 195752400D7; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) In-Reply-To: <53CEE7A8.6030607@garfieldtech.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:41:06 +0100 Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <53CEE7A8.6030607@garfieldtech.com> To: Larry Garfield X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Language Specification From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) On 22 Jul 2014, at 23:37, Larry Garfield wrote: > The big question here, though, is whether, going forward, we'll be = able to mentally switch to a "spec first" mentality. If not, the spec = will get out of date and become less than useful. I hope we're able to = make that transition. I think that=92s unrealistic. It will always be Zend code first, spec = second. HHVM can play catch-up ;) -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/