Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75905 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 20905 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2014 22:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jul 2014 22:36:37 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 108.166.43.67 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 108.166.43.67 smtp67.ord1c.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [108.166.43.67] ([108.166.43.67:58831] helo=smtp67.ord1c.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 74/97-21666-477EEC35 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:36:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp9.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9650C380100; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp9.relay.ord1c.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 3C294380240; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com Received: from Stass-MacBook-Pro.local (108-66-6-48.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.66.6.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:465 (trex/5.2.10); Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:28:53 GMT Message-ID: <53CEE5A4.6080701@sugarcrm.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:28:52 -0700 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sara Golemon , PHP internals References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Language Specification From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > To that end, we (as in Facebook), have been putting together a formal > language spec for PHP (using PHP 5.6 as the source of truth) along > with an additional conformance test suite (which compliments > Zend/tests). We've talked to some engine folks along the way to get > feedback and make version 1 as good as it can be, and we're really > close to releasing it (aiming for next week). Note that this document > only covers the language syntax and not the standard runtime library. Thank you Sara and Facebook team for doing something we've been talking about for more than a decade and before that nobody actually attempting to do. I think it is a great development and I hope to see the first version soon. > This document is meant for PHP, and PHP should be the steward of it > going forward, so we (as in PHP) should start looking at good ways to > keep it up to date and revise it over time. As a sneak-peak, uploaded > a very small section so that you get an idea for what the > document looks like overall. I would propose choosing some collaborative platform for managing it, something like Google Docs (suggestions about best platform ever for that are welcome :) so that people could comment on specific parts and keep track of what is the current state and what has been discussed. Alternatively, we could do a wiki maybe but the problem there is that it is hard to export (unless anybody knows wiki setups that can be easily exported into single document). I'd also advocate creating a workgroup and a mailing list for it to discuss the spec and to work on it and other things like ones above there. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/