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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)

Zeev Suraski wrote (on 22/07/2014):

> If I understood you correctly you seem to believe that we should aim
> for consensus when it's pretty clear there isn't going to be one.  I
> can't see how shuffling the points around under topics will somehow
> help us create such consensus.  Knowing many of the people in the two
> 'camps', I know that's not going to happen.

Yeah, I was just a bit non-plussed at how much this felt like an 
election targeting a few "floating voters", rather than actually seeking 
to understand other people's positions. But maybe it's just too late for 
that, and most people have made up their minds already anyway.

> I also don't think it's going to make it any clearer.  In fact I think
> that putting these arguments into topics that go back and forth
> arguing for 6 and 7 will actually make it a lot messier.

To be fair, looking at the current content, you could more or less 
interleave the current bullets, since they refer to each other already. 
My thought was that doing so might reduce some repetition as they 
wouldn't need to reintroduce the same points in order to rebuff them, 
but it's not as bad as I thought. The PHP 7 section mostly looks longer 
because it has an intro and conclusion where the PHP 6 one doesn't.

I got the vibe that people weren't happy with the RFC, and that's why 
the vote was cancelled, so I was suggesting a way forward, but maybe I 
misread the situation.

Regards,
-- 
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]