Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75860 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 9825 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2014 14:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jul 2014 14:35:49 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=brian@moonspot.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=brian@moonspot.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain moonspot.net designates 72.5.90.26 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: brian@moonspot.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 72.5.90.26 mail.dealnews.com Received: from [72.5.90.26] ([72.5.90.26:33061] helo=mail.dealnews.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 91/E4-21666-3C67EC35 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:35:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dealnews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5DA140071; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dealnews.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atl-zimbra2.dealnews.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id IjKEVdkrs3c3; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dealnews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B08140CB7; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dealnews.com Received: from mail.dealnews.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atl-zimbra2.dealnews.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9eWxAr_PEZDB; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Adrastea.local (unknown [71.45.12.44]) by mail.dealnews.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1C80140071; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53CE76BC.2030404@moonspot.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:35:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonny Stirling , Andrea Faulds CC: Rowan Collins , "internals@lists.php.net" References: <84603C6F-F984-4F73-892A-4416391E4769@ajf.me> <53CE66D4.2060103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP From: brian@moonspot.net (Brian Moon) > Or, (maybe this is controversial in itself), drop the entire thing. > > Until there is in fact, a next major version, what its name will be is > surely moot, and until there is a GA release (or at the earliest alphas / > beta test releases), there should be no such thing as a versioned / > numbered release. > > Assuming the above, there is no need to discuss / vote on this now, but in > 1-3 years or so (depending on who you listen to ;)), and in that time > frame, shouldn't it simply remain as PHP.next (or some random codename / > whatever). As I read this, it occurred to me that naming things before they are released is how we ended up in this situation to begin with. People started writing PHP6 books and doing talks at conferences before PHP6 even existed. What if the same thing happens with PHP7? Or it happens to PHP6 again? Right now, there is discussion about phpng being php-next. What if that is rolled in and later found that it was a bad idea? And there are talks and blog posts about "PHP7" that talk about phpng? With Phorum, we skipped version 2 and version 4 because of this issue. We named them, worked on them, and then decided they were bad directions. Those numbers were burned. If we had not named them to begin with, we would not have been in that boat. Brian Moon brianlmoon@php.net http://brian.moonspot.net/