Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75792 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29965 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2014 13:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jul 2014 13:16:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.54 mail-qa0-f54.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.54] ([209.85.216.54:56369] helo=mail-qa0-f54.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6A/65-01457-7921DC35 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:16:07 -0400 Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id k15so4967597qaq.41 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:16:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aKChcQQe3HedEzSRm+1UnWB7JAvAVCpWbxFDwehaM9c=; b=KQPoHNxv3/PpJrvxDoWcUwsYkzLeHZr3+f2WRZfxydoApU4WdQG6C+zSc63LakqFQK aLp1VSWJLDIWTWyoBgcX7hhYSaLQhhc9ci00lYe9fDCs55Ge3aYILU9YpLNXGFZpghE6 5BRLTTKN7iN8X8rak0wFCLAsR2El9Z3c7SRGXrjZM8IAGYrfqWq3NKNI1HSvrlczAwvt djD05iHm8ksSIgzzqoftERFqdUxC1QJAuXHbDyU0dsi9C+ohYUSFsnjXa5OT7Ksq81V/ MWNeRU7SYpcCGSoxMiE/1SX+OhqYKWEWvKzetZCDFWtcmKJaovRWgbz7IJn6p2CXXNr0 NHlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.137.193 with SMTP id x1mr43885386qat.0.1405948559952; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.28.139 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:15:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7e9cdb1f72acc146fbbd9a3a5181531c@mail.gmail.com> References: <405777E2-9B2C-426F-97D8-97CF6A9E63E8@ajf.me> <7e9cdb1f72acc146fbbd9a3a5181531c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:15:59 +0200 Message-ID: To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Andrea Faulds , Nikita Popov , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: > I'm not sure where the 2-3 years is coming from, but again, I see no > reason why we wouldn't be able to push .NEXT out within a year (if it's > just phpng along then actually a lot less, but I'm allowing time for extra > features we may want to put in). As a matter of fact, I don't think we > can even entertain a 2-3 cycle, it will be way too late to market if we > linger for so long. > > This is the assumption we should take IMHO, and only branch 5.7 (and more > importantly, invest time in it) if it proves wrong. This is the assumption we should not take. It is disturbing to see you pushing again something so hard that it will hurt the whole project. And this time much harder than in the last times. It is time to step back and take a realistic view of what is going, outside your book, which is barely based on your one and only prioritiy, performance (and only one platform too). This is not PHP, not what many want. And even I am pretty sure you will make it through with this totally incomplete RFC based on disputable benchmarks and no matter how much performance improvements happen with phpng, this is not the only thing what we should do in next. Even if it was, to think about being ready in less than a year is a sweet dream, to say it nicely. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org