Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75791 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 28281 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2014 13:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jul 2014 13:10:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 192.64.116.199 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 192.64.116.199 imap11-2.ox.privateemail.com Received: from [192.64.116.199] ([192.64.116.199:56814] helo=imap11-2.ox.privateemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 52/15-01457-6311DC35 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:10:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9119D8800F2; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:10:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap11.ox.privateemail.com Received: from mail.privateemail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap11.ox.privateemail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zZrIrKvOz-qu; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.15] (unknown [90.210.122.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24D608800E7; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) In-Reply-To: <7e9cdb1f72acc146fbbd9a3a5181531c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:10:03 +0100 Cc: Nikita Popov , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <51E88A4A-8199-41DD-B9B8-B0786E01FA24@ajf.me> References: <405777E2-9B2C-426F-97D8-97CF6A9E63E8@ajf.me> <7e9cdb1f72acc146fbbd9a3a5181531c@mail.gmail.com> To: Zeev Suraski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Move phpng to master From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) On 21 Jul 2014, at 14:06, Zeev Suraski wrote: > I'm not sure where the 2-3 years is coming from, but again, I see no > reason why we wouldn't be able to push .NEXT out within a year (if = it's > just phpng along then actually a lot less, but I'm allowing time for = extra > features we may want to put in). As a matter of fact, I don't think = we > can even entertain a 2-3 cycle, it will be way too late to market if = we > linger for so long. We *could* make PHP NEXT in a year, sure, but it won=92t be worthwhile = being called PHP NEXT. There are a lot of big changes we can and should = make and that would necessitate delaying it. Three years might be a bit = long. However, I am confident that we need more than a year to make this = major worth it. > This is the assumption we should take IMHO, and only branch 5.7 (and = more > importantly, invest time in it) if it proves wrong. Branching 5.7 wouldn=92t be a big effort. Master is fairly stable, and = if some RFCs pass, we can merge them into 5.7. It also gives us a = fallback. If PHP NEXT doesn=92t happen next year (and I expect that it = won=92t), we=92ll still have 5.7. -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/