Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75751 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 58808 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2014 09:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jul 2014 09:21:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mike.php.net@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mike.php.net@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mike.php.net@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.48 mail-la0-f48.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.48] ([209.85.215.48:33068] helo=mail-la0-f48.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 14/61-51736-2BBDCC35 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 05:21:55 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id gl10so4590576lab.35 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 02:21:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=A9qcVrzju8j/IF84lCjzGf73L7rKo/2HYn5QAfr8iI8=; b=QB23pXRKcqTcJcMvd5N3wScIOtlR6hEfLcbrnNSUPP3D2WyHw+JVCXSeXFPQ86nMb4 BrCGxIlP92m9EuRsKo2Sj8bCt2k+xl2v8neeALY9gNpzRGf+HQ1EhijhkK5VHC2bLxjJ //d0ugiCA4ZCyOpJcfl+/HnUy9T/3IlYHJuToq0pLI4DaGZP6t8GDakEbLHRpOe0hMjS 4Czk/BBvApNgJe3jBo+1Ty2d3BFhJpN7kpzPSBUgvTG4GUCt8kP5eTy3/BmmfE9SJuK3 r0S6LinY1fgvBbDcLdinka4ygHy2BImoUMVkpHxosGfhUySqqLEysJm/9alFzHx2afbt whVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.97.163 with SMTP id eb3mr23711483lbb.67.1405934511115; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 02:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mike.php.net@gmail.com Received: by 10.114.27.34 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 02:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.27.34 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 02:21:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <84603C6F-F984-4F73-892A-4416391E4769@ajf.me> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 11:21:51 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3N6i_nw0JlKOcSxXv6mB1V3pO50 Message-ID: To: Andrea Faulds Cc: PHP Internals , Derick Rethans , Nikita Popov Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133c20a1cd98204feb0a31a Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE][RFC] Name of Next Release of PHP From: mike@php.net (Michael Wallner) --001a1133c20a1cd98204feb0a31a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20 Jul 2014 23:32, "Andrea Faulds" wrote: > > > On 20 Jul 2014, at 22:28, Nikita Popov wrote: > > > After the vote has been started the RFC was edited by Zeev in order to strengthen the case for PHP 7. There is nothing wrong with that, adding additional arguments to an RFC is perfectly fine by me. > > > > However at the same time a number of paragraphs were removed that were arguing for PHP 6, at least in part. The only thing that was left in "The case for PHP 6" was a single paragraph, of which half was really just an explanation of the general situation. > > > > Effectively the edits made the RFC text heavily biased. It's okay to edit an RFC to add arguments for your side, but I find it discourteous and disingenuous to remove arguments from the opposing side at the same time. > > > > As such I can understand Andrea's decision to close this vote until tempers had time to cool down and both sides had a chance to be fairly represented. > > It also wasn=E2=80=99t really fair of me to start a vote when there wasn= =E2=80=99t really a case for 7, now that I think about it. I suppose that makes my later decision hypocritical, but it does mean we=E2=80=99re in a better place now= when we have a second vote, as we have two cases. To sum it up: 6 would be the logical number for the next major version, that's just a fact. I would go with it. But I and probably most others who would go with 6 wouldn't really be hurt if we went with 7. On the other hand there would be quite some people hurt if we went with 6. So, maybe it's just me, but there seems to only be a "case" for 7. Let's think about the people, not only numbers and facts. We often forget about that when "just" answering mails. Cheers, Mike --001a1133c20a1cd98204feb0a31a--