Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:75604 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 42198 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2014 20:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jul 2014 20:45:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 192.64.116.199 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 192.64.116.199 imap11-2.ox.privateemail.com Received: from [192.64.116.199] ([192.64.116.199:55808] helo=imap11-2.ox.privateemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D3/01-37298-A64E6C35 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:45:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97988800DB; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:45:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at imap11.ox.privateemail.com Received: from mail.privateemail.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (imap11.ox.privateemail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id K7j3N-XhzWGg; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.15] (unknown [90.210.122.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D7338800CB; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:45:19 +0100 Cc: Stas Malyshev , Andrey Andreev , Rowan Collins , internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <9B7B8559-61FE-493D-BAEE-53E8C84D5E91@ajf.me> References: <08503591-EFC8-48E6-984E-FFC292C5EA5F@ajf.me> <16D48604-0C0A-4613-91A4-21392E3A2636@ajf.me> <05CE2216-C5D9-4937-9F2E-AA1407284D9F@ajf.me> <53C460DF.5040304@sugarcrm.com> <53C53A96.2040303@gmail.com> <53C55342.1010207@sugarcrm.com> <53C563B3.6060905@gmail.com> <54536191-1B92-4933-973F-0C8289D13A4C@ajf.me> <00d12255efc53466245b21a83ff7d474@mail.gmail.com> <1CE2ACC0-D6CA-407B-99C7-4914311B733E@ajf.me> <53C6CFB7.8090908@sugarcrm.com> <118BB3D7-BE52-44AB-BD0E-942830D44A2A@ajf.me> To: Zeev Suraski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Scalar Type Hinting With Casts (re-opening) From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrea Faulds) On 16 Jul 2014, at 21:43, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> anything this RFC permits will >> be permitted by zpp, it's the reverse that isn't necessarily true. >=20 > Right, so it needs to be fixed. It makes no sense to force a new = agenda > on the language that's inconsistent with the rest of the language. = Align > your new feature to the rest of the language, not the other way = around. But to do so would be to make the feature less useful, nor satisfy = people who want stricter hinting. Argh, we=92re going in circles. I should perhaps not continue arguing = with you, as your position is clear and it=92s unlikely to change, and = the same is true of mine. -- Andrea Faulds http://ajf.me/