Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74660 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16768 invoked from network); 30 May 2014 17:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 May 2014 17:57:51 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.173 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.173 mail-wi0-f173.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.173] ([209.85.212.173:42463] helo=mail-wi0-f173.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E1/31-07154-E96C8835 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 13:57:50 -0400 Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id bs8so1536400wib.0 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 10:57:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zPQLoLuykEvj4/5A0wAZzfX8SBj0EqWTZS48l17NVKY=; b=HhAibfg/6vWTA+5LfXuUmrcceCfNMY6hSb/yCcH3ENoiBST1nOt+3DmjY3ZWgCzTIA mCcg6vuXNzjFv2U/So0m1iQkQxAWDpe4LHyXGXYn0zYZc6djFt/4pm4ljkq+ghm23IhN +h3Xg91GxR/ZngwMq/MmVc22jeRsFtln/KC62fyZ0Bvd/o3CgNS1qhZoXRoskuy5JGsW oXP88OZxgnOD85Io3gU+VzlITrxGTO66Mr4AWQYJSqvYG4+5EjNmQ7gx66SRhJWWCS2x A9KZg9cVYGZH8UsQhKWfHoGesMFoHRzRjlvCZNBb7hjjqEMdkU91u6OKWuCaW6BZnYuc 9eVA== X-Received: by 10.180.13.113 with SMTP id g17mr9168129wic.48.1401472665871; Fri, 30 May 2014 10:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.139] ([62.189.198.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ft17sm11004159wjc.14.2014.05.30.10.57.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 30 May 2014 10:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5388C693.6040408@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 18:57:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <1401303702.2998.111.camel@guybrush> <4f7609c82c063f3bb73aed990a7debf7@mail.gmail.com> <452088db796932d97cc99159ca520bc0@mail.gmail.com> <3182f5d426f0823d9d34eab77bff953e@mail.gmail.com> <5386F431.2020905@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Hannes Magnusson wrote (on 30/05/2014): > The same people also flame us for changing and accepting contributions > from new people. > > Its easy to hate on things. Its difficult to try to move forward and > test out new things. At least he tried. > Now lets not be making this into something it isn't. I honestly think more time has been spent here complaining about flaming than actual flaming. The first post in this thread was very open to different solutions, and most took it in that spirit, but were caught a bit off guard that they hadn't heard about it sooner. There are plenty of positive suggestions for how to move forward. Reply to them, and ignore the unhelpful ones. Don't lose heart. :) -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]