Newsgroups: php.internals,php.webmaster Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74658 php.webmaster:19082 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 99256 invoked from network); 30 May 2014 16:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 May 2014 16:00:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=hannes.magnusson@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=hannes.magnusson@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.50 mail-wg0-f50.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.50] ([74.125.82.50:48222] helo=mail-wg0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8F/CD-07154-C2BA8835 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 12:00:45 -0400 Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id x12so2257332wgg.9 for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 09:00:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j7uQS1/3YyILPdJA6614ZcfupNYJsOE65rVQFXBabvw=; b=pNIt6+d65bg39n1I01y78R1urj1fc7x1wvEriWaR9pz/LPAu5pEYExk/r/KCy8Xp9X jRivt7KO1++9ycWJvmV95Z5L2CuU4xY0uz4pJ8VDekkpEKH4n9W/weXwPMqNesYL0/gU T/vvpniMvK+Vi1aGc2fBc1zW2QSmAOmbkyTIzggGs8DV5CDKFNalmCyeywRezxa2rd+8 uqWL8X1YKJ8JK6ILzqKeoeWHqwrJSIRw5w7G8q2Q8LEdmW5G1ppFia0lW9ixVmfa0/JW g0K80ZbopDWqxQwQ67wKhiYYuY/rhvzfJKWQ0vJxrgbsVShaRroXBTL1DTlAA0yLOqWN QJoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.105.1 with SMTP id gi1mr8085839wib.30.1401465641310; Fri, 30 May 2014 09:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.136.180 with HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2014 09:00:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5777562771914574713@unknownmsgid> <1401303702.2998.111.camel@guybrush> <4f7609c82c063f3bb73aed990a7debf7@mail.gmail.com> <452088db796932d97cc99159ca520bc0@mail.gmail.com> <3182f5d426f0823d9d34eab77bff953e@mail.gmail.com> <5386F431.2020905@lerdorf.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 09:00:41 -0700 Message-ID: To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf , Joe Watkins , PHP Internals , php-webmaster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry From: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com (Hannes Magnusson) On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> I meant that a note to webmaster@ would have alerted the rest of the web >> team and we would have avoided this whole mess. > > Agreed. > Probably not, as I still would have promised him to create blog.php.net if he successfully pulled of two updates. I don't see this as a mess either. We tried to do something new with out dead frontpage - which we have been hoping to achieve for many many years now. Unfortunately it didn't work out. It did not create security issues in PHP. It did not result in data loss. It didn't harm anyone. We've learned that people that flame us for not changing and not accepting contributions from new people. The same people also flame us for changing and accepting contributions from new people. Its easy to hate on things. Its difficult to try to move forward and test out new things. At least he tried. Now lets not be making this into something it isn't. -Hannes