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Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 10:19:46 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest
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From: pthreads@pthreads.org (Joe Watkins)

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Zeev,

 > While you=E2=80=99re at it, consider apologizing for your unacceptable c=
hoice of
words.

I'm sorry that you find my words unacceptable.

I've already said I was wrong to act on the little consensus I had, but I
did actually have one, the wrong kind of consensus ... sorry.

I didn't remove the post myself because I was trying to get something
started, I fail at interacting with internals so I don't normally try and
let other people try to sort it, but I was still involved, all day long
yesterday.

I was trying to get something started, and seemed to have appropriate
permission; it was the approved way of getting done what I wanted to get
done, by someone in control of these things, on a team that usually acts
pretty independently, that's what I genuinely thought ... I was doing
everything I was meant to be doing.

It's not reasonable to completely ignore my intentions, what I thought was
happening, what I was told to do ... completely not fair.

If we could stop arguing, that'd be great, I still want a blog, can we talk
about how to get that actually started in a sensible way ??

Cheers


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:

> Zeev, it's cowardly to say "I don't know who it was" or "it doesn't matte=
r
> who it was", you can read my name on the commit, and know full well who i=
t
> was, if you have something to say, say it.
>
> Joe,
>
>
>
> I think you just derailed this conversation in a manner that I=E2=80=99m =
surprised
> so many people answered you and didn=E2=80=99t point out that kind of tal=
k is
> unacceptable.
>
>
>
> Until this email, I did not know nor did I care who did this.  Of course =
I
> could come up with that name if I wanted to, but that would imply it
> mattered, and it doesn=E2=80=99t.  What I cared about is the undoing the =
deed and
> preventing it from happening again, not playing a blame game.
>
>
>
> What I do have to say to you is the same thing I mistakenly said to the
> wrong person yesterday:
>
>
>
> *=E2=80=9CI'm really not sure why you're still fighting this.  If I were =
in your
> shoes I'd admit messing up, apologize, and quickly remove this post.  And
> I'm not flaming or bashing anybody, we're all humans and we all make
> mistakes.=E2=80=9D*
>
>
>
> While you=E2=80=99re at it, consider apologizing for your unacceptable ch=
oice of
> words.
>
>
> Zeev
>
>
>

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