Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74625 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46262 invoked from network); 29 May 2014 09:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 May 2014 09:06:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.214 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.214 mail4-2.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.214] ([217.147.176.214:50712] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 52/16-07154-B78F6835 for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 05:06:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 26903 invoked by uid 89); 29 May 2014 09:06:00 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 26872, pid: 26900, t: 0.1003s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52 Received: from unknown (HELO linux-dev4.lsces.org.uk) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 29 May 2014 09:06:00 -0000 Message-ID: <5386F973.1010600@lsces.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 10:10:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP Internals References: <5777562771914574713@unknownmsgid> <1401303702.2998.111.camel@guybrush> <4f7609c82c063f3bb73aed990a7debf7@mail.gmail.com> <452088db796932d97cc99159ca520bc0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Moving things on ... From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Trimming all the forwarding around ... On 29/05/14 09:29, Pierre Joye wrote: > Long story short, we are at a critical point in the php history. Yet > again we are about to begin the next major PHP version. If we do not > have to fail, and that could be our last chance, we have to put our > ego, emotions, personal goals on the side and begin to work more, much > more, together. We have to communicate (and internals is the only > place where you reach anyone), more, better, more respectfully and > early, as early as possible for every possible idea. Communication is > not about politics, communication about getting more people involved, > early and try to get everyone on the same board and in sync. That phpng throws an area of the creation of phpnext open for discussion, and offers limited demonstrations of the capabilities of that solution is a fact. It is currently actually a block to progress until such time as others can become involved, and incorporating other developments into it seems to be on hold? It is only concentrating on a sub-set of what is needed for phpnext and so the discussion that is still needed is just what else should be addressed. Unicode support is probably still in the melting pot, as much as the string length of internal string elements and opinions are still divided as to if those internal strings SHOULD support unicode? Re-factoring function names and perhaps making strings proper objects are all important elements, and this re-factoring may well impinge on the 'results' that phpng is reporting anyway? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk