Newsgroups: php.internals,php.webmaster Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74622 php.webmaster:19061 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 40968 invoked from network); 29 May 2014 08:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 May 2014 08:45:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 209.85.128.171 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.128.171 mail-ve0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.128.171] ([209.85.128.171:61932] helo=mail-ve0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 43/F4-07154-9A3F6835 for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 04:45:29 -0400 Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id oz11so27661veb.2 for ; Thu, 29 May 2014 01:45:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Y4HOVOqg4eeH8nPJOywNVvZQPRvg6ovMvszHOvRum1U=; b=hvx5MRJJT8zTIYD4wGrO1HGhuyNBO0Pgqn3A0itFsooxD6dZqmA5kx2o67sxaQ2nDF ATCnwop6hM7D9HOjNqGe6QmsgIIeph97Ojp3I8i2Pl456g9Ccuux2POzOc37BddrqShN fohEgIP6ZlHJv+v8M4yOYJiEkigj4BC316gwDbfg4wmuo9End1bEU+38jqcgAbeoAsUg 9iVniLrIx7Q5pZ+HzJCa5LAgQKWuzXdXISxR1iAxCRwC1n7HPrMyGbzziDol5aOexWK2 T6LbY9+35QYx1Ku5a7AViL+yCL6KCXx7tq2j5OKNXWGB2KVAeZoy6QLNcgeCi2/sD/vr DAKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm7v0ie6IIR7QdENunSTrlUKvkWD4Di+Om4qeRe2Hgsz8CTtOs3KJjmDGPk+UECTRHCiTwAN1kN95UEz8U0SRF4jwHENCb2klhxNztGCgEURMjJmp41rixrWTtNhxrMrZmmCWZj X-Received: by 10.52.14.9 with SMTP id l9mr4117326vdc.41.1401353126911; Thu, 29 May 2014 01:45:26 -0700 (PDT) References: <5777562771914574713@unknownmsgid> <1401303702.2998.111.camel@guybrush> <4f7609c82c063f3bb73aed990a7debf7@mail.gmail.com> <452088db796932d97cc99159ca520bc0@mail.gmail.com> <5386EAE3.8090402@l erdorf.com> In-Reply-To: <5386EAE3.8090402@lerdorf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGmJDgvAkP0sKjJxzC2NytXAGOEhQIZT6LZAqBw9IMCVZjPQgIH2QP5AY3VswwBxRduawJwxf39AgECalIC8HbNEwIeSVDCAW1rRXMB9+8dCAEYLZ8ZAlg3O64DNdAoVAHPfVaimpu9SeA= Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 11:45:26 +0300 Message-ID: <3182f5d426f0823d9d34eab77bff953e@mail.gmail.com> To: Rasmus Lerdorf , Joe Watkins Cc: PHP Internals , php-webmaster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > Joe, the root problem here is that turning www.php.net into a developer > blog is a decision that takes a bit more than a couple of people agreeing > late > at night on irc when many of us were asleep. At the very least a quick > email > to webmaster@ would have been in order. I want to point out the obvious and - putting blog entries on www.php.net requires a radical change in how we view www.php.net and I'm not even sure what process would have to be followed in order to get there; Also, an email to webmaster@ would have helped us become aware of the problem more quickly - but let's be clear to everyone, those changes shouldn't get onto www.php.net, message to webmaster@ or not. I'm pretty sure that's what you meant, just wanted to make sure nobody misreads it as a carte blanche to commit such blog entries if 5 people give thumbs up and a notification is sent to webmaster@. Zeev