Newsgroups: php.internals,php.webmaster Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74603 php.webmaster:19034 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72409 invoked from network); 28 May 2014 19:02:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 May 2014 19:02:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=johannes@schlueters.de; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=johannes@schlueters.de; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain schlueters.de from 217.114.215.10 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: johannes@schlueters.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.114.215.10 mail.experimentalworks.net Received: from [217.114.215.10] ([217.114.215.10:36103] helo=mail.experimentalworks.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 61/3D-02991-BA236835 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 15:02:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.31] (ppp-93-104-17-212.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.17.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: johannes@schlueters.de) by mail.experimentalworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4478D40D51; Wed, 28 May 2014 21:01:59 +0200 (CEST) To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Zeev Suraski , Levi Morrison , Michael Wallner , Andi Gutmans , PHP Internals , php-webmaster In-Reply-To: References: <998f4156545f1b2fe88c0f1e64b94015@mail.gmail.com> <5777562771914574713@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 21:01:42 +0200 Message-ID: <1401303702.2998.111.camel@guybrush> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=) On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 18:47 +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > I agree that this doesn't belong to the frontpage, nor do we did ever have > stuff like this there. > But I also think that removing it would do more harm than good at this > point. > I also think that having a easier to understand channel and posts like this > to communicate the roadmap and development of the project would be a nice > thing to have (as long as we don't try to use the frontpage for that). > So I would suggest checking out the updated version from Levi, and discuss > if it still has any controversial stuff. yes, I agree that we should have simpler to digest channels for users to follow with little effort. In the past we had Steph Fox for some time creating nicely written weekly summaries. recently I found Pascal Martin doing this on a monthly base: http://blog.pascal-martin.fr/post/php-mailing-list-internals-february-2014-en Maybe we can also work with the Planet PHP guys to work on some highlighting of different authors/content ("internals related" / "framework related" / "app related" / ...) and maybe integrate it in some way with php.net or alternatively work on people.php.net to allow developers to post their view. However we should keep the focus of the php.net main news stream clear factual news. Advertise improvements made in 5.6 ("sell what we have") Mind that compared to php.net the blogs and other sites have a quite small reach so damage they cause is quite little. A posting on php.net (especially when used by some "journalist" on the bi news sites) can create quite wrong expectations easily (the journalist has limited time for research and condenses it, the reader just picks up some sentences with even less context ...) So yes, we have room for improvement, and yes as a trigger for such a debate this post was helpful, but further discussion should be done aside from this precise "incident". johannes