Newsgroups: php.internals,php.webmaster Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74589 php.webmaster:19023 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33594 invoked from network); 28 May 2014 15:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 May 2014 15:48:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 209.85.128.182 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.128.182 mail-ve0-f182.google.com Received: from [209.85.128.182] ([209.85.128.182:48192] helo=mail-ve0-f182.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5E/D5-02991-14506835 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 11:48:17 -0400 Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id sa20so12953849veb.27 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:from:mime-version:in-reply-to:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1Ngfr9JF5eGRUl7sANTSsobqhXhcU5dkiuYvN4X/YH0=; b=XA0v0i8rR8exCzQARGgjmusznkzgpmX9FxT+OUtC6ffL9UI6nlJzSCdhqIXv/DdggQ HFfEWB1vevDcedVJ4wDICTM430HGFU9ttHPem4Nyd2wZw2iSfmmfw2wTOVZ1FTRPOJZT smKEFkOLrjbQUh1DaqU6A/RzsxyyFpgrEKerj2a2Bp3Gr2atcob8O3nkmvekxkKk+pM5 XFKnKVpABuIy+SCnZECyDVJ4djkOqcpEaKGZhp6fXdgFXKuOE/jlbSpdaixZSplpH+l0 1tQroX0hbsQv1473lfXhlukHjtjmNLZyOIxcvgyiRrnkccA74+inNlwKxw6q5VzF5Qqd w4/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmoshZk/eEGGEaXQeu/yuk2tcf/h6rGGANWXxIY5fVVRPmu6RoPRpH7lIPLbuU2YFIXIt/23pJSz3GUg8hrhhsUmj0CRv6bl4BqEZo95hrAFkv+GI6irEGCd1MYf7CoWynCpz9p X-Received: by 10.52.99.168 with SMTP id er8mr589246vdb.26.1401292094782; Wed, 28 May 2014 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <998f4156545f1b2fe88c0f1e64b94015@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 18:48:10 +0300 Message-ID: <5777562771914574713@unknownmsgid> To: Levi Morrison Cc: Michael Wallner , Andi Gutmans , Ferenc Kovacs , PHP Internals , php-webmaster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > On 28 =D7=91=D7=9E=D7=90=D7=99 2014, at 18:34, Levi Morrison wrote: > > All of these things > are *good things*; let's stop the flaming and raging and be > constructive. Levi, There's not raging or flaming. I don't think there's any hard feelings by anybody. We just want to remedy the situation. > I'm currently working on a revision with Joe and others that will > hopefully retain the good parts of the news entry and trim out the > controversial bits. I think that regardless of how we phrase it, it does not belong on www.php.net at this time. Take a look at any and all messages published on www.php.net in the past if you disagree with me. Deviating from that line requires a strong majority if not consensus, which is clearly not there at this point. It should be removed until such consensus is reached, if at all. By the way, note that I'm obviously very sympathetic of this phpng project. But a message dealing with it simply does not belong on www.php.net at this time regardless of whatever misinformation is out there right now. Zeev