Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74575 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1301 invoked from network); 28 May 2014 14:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 May 2014 14:07:49 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andi@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andi@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 209.85.220.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andi@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.42 mail-pa0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.42] ([209.85.220.42:53525] helo=mail-pa0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7D/8D-30361-4BDE5835 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 10:07:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id rd3so11140611pab.29 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 07:07:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=19p8R4rSxXCGDZNI3H+RLmtcj24lEOtNzY7fB0ZGQ7s=; b=ZLJ9L5oY+9Jz7HN6/Lsytd60TD3PdaoaNAdQ4+kLT5yXI35tBK9U9u0x2PJojXcMev qlkcgj3ck/8/lEXbkx48ZiZCyrRia4CvxGM3yN3bU3ML1qhoSiyQ5DAtFYdDdkoy5ryt q+CUjQWtTfTSWw04ue7QW8Ok0end/qBmSAwlE/Smvs4nsmgWCYlW/1pQmvBJFmR7OU83 7KGdAWcs1qpXr5eiLsp6EFCgLqCSoAbrz2Pwad/GIOQJIckdHysd0/PB+0HIvAD95X/A Tri/GIYig+Fsl3439yGbUSwikkV7AXqKTKNaRbo22yoKB9BMQNecmFajWVpb+cYFOGol T7PQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQla5Tyvm65JnRTHBPVPVVvtkvvLYQ9lVj+5OwAvihBBawNpy+dvBnTPRf6bf/U7uqRo2b53d7GV8XWI+dTAyv3cIoA0tNyb223ncLrRkQSMuS7Y+WnstoMIAUFvhKB9YvDI9wZJ X-Received: by 10.68.235.6 with SMTP id ui6mr46046446pbc.45.1401286066022; Wed, 28 May 2014 07:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (c-24-130-225-174.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.130.225.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nw13sm89365304pab.37.2014.05.28.07.07.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 28 May 2014 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 07:07:43 -0700 Cc: PHP Internals , php-webmaster X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 422978863.393435-59f2ab819113c658db282bb8a9b43a1c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: To: Ferenc Kovacs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry From: andi@zend.com (Andi Gutmans) On May 28, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Joe made a post about the introduction on phpng, what it is, and what = it > isn't. > Some people (myself included) didn't liked that post for various = reasons > (some says it is opiniated, some doesn't like the tone and the = wording, > others feel that it is too early to made official announcement about = phpng). > There were a couple of iteration on improving the text, but it is = still not > up to our standards imo: > = http://git.php.net/?p=3Dweb/php.git;a=3Dhistory;f=3Darchive/entries/2014-0= 5-27-1.xml > ; > It is already on hackernews and reddit, so while some people = suggested, I > think it would be a bad move to just remove it. >=20 > Would like to know what do you guys think about the best step, I see = the > following possible options: >=20 > - keep it as is > - remove it > - rewrite it to be more formal and factual(only talk about what it = is > atm. not what it could be in the future). > - create a post explaining that this post is controversional among = the > core-devs, so it is reflects more of the authors opinion than the = projects > official view on the topic. >=20 > I'm mostly interested on the opinion of the core devs, but others also > welcome to reply. Wow. How unprofessional on so many levels!!=20 Unfortunately it seems this has been picked up already by a lot of folks = incl. I just got a press inquiry on it. While my instinct would say just remove it, I think it=92s not an option = anymore. I think we need to write something very short and sweet that = has zero opinion and only fact and post it instead. Andi