Newsgroups: php.internals,php.webmaster Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:74553 php.webmaster:19010 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 50909 invoked from network); 28 May 2014 11:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 May 2014 11:05:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 209.85.220.179 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.179 mail-vc0-f179.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.179] ([209.85.220.179:56539] helo=mail-vc0-f179.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 37/83-30361-DD2C5835 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 07:05:02 -0400 Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id im17so11985865vcb.24 for ; Wed, 28 May 2014 04:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=j88eLTAUuTA2qzBt3tlKiPri+lsUHQKvbX2Fiwv50Ys=; b=FRr/yqJbnNpw0pEEAqeJ+bwfSmlvc+0McfQ83QQUjnlzz+NxkNckSsxv/KkGDgAF08 FkIaH9YX4BjoTkn2Tt7I6If185oVvw0Mo3POMzxfWDOlV1KWk8T4fiw/7CKtCkhR054T w4yjGGIJgqh5SJtY7+xiuPYUI8Vg8VC+rayWURHSB8lRGAOdsrs/x/BFwGVHtmn4FkY0 7B/3jUHSuPcpBreuuvwpvvbxrctrLB3vH1iz1WNVZ88gUo9ABOr6hsr2pPKveNBNlnYf yVDG0d2pFcDH5lwKMt0GlhzxVpcIBXpCjrPHg3sYx5kbIx1opXbsFtp6ENoiMB2ocFvS /bUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk6JXKwKsNzfgg3MzKICWtHizavbxm198tV3s68QsRUz3eauLFruJjKNs+LrnWTDSnh54+ljIwm/OFhYMN7By3QA0ljgyzRy+hdcAhgEs+8igYzHre0aSgChdUTXfWN02bSMVph X-Received: by 10.58.74.38 with SMTP id q6mr32421914vev.7.1401275099507; Wed, 28 May 2014 04:04:59 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGmJDgvAkP0sKjJxzC2NytXAGOEhQFoNGukm505Y/A= Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:04:58 +0300 Message-ID: To: Philip Sturgeon , Ferenc Kovacs Cc: PHP Internals , php-webmaster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] about the latest frontpage entry From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > In all, the PHP community at large is confused thanks to people > prematurely > announcing stuff from the mailing list like its news, then adding their > opinions > on top of it without understanding a damn thing they're talking about. But the post on www.php.net is somewhat similar in that regard, at least in the sense that it's premature and opinionated. I think the way to deal with the misinformation is to move more quickly with taking phpng forward; First get a formal agreement that it's going to become the basis for the next version of PHP; Then double our efforts to close the gaps so that users can start experimenting with it; And in parallel, work on deciding what other changes go into PHP.next. I think what we do is going to speak louder than what we say. Zeev