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Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 18:15:28 +0200
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To: Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Fast Parameter Parsing API
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On May 23, 2014 5:58 PM, "Dmitry Stogov" <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
>
> This patch is connected with Zend only in a way, that I worked on it
during last days (it's even not my idea).
> but once I saw the idea I saw how it may be useful. I really don't
understand you attitude to us.
> We are working hard to make a real big step forward...
>
> 2.5% speedup on real-life is not a good gain? where do you live? :)

In a world where clean code base and easy maintenance are better than a
couple % performance gain. :)

> Thanks. Dmitry.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>> Hi Dmitry, Bob,
>>
>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter
>> <johannes@schlueters.de> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 13:52 +0100, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>> >> On 23 May 2014, at 12:36, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Please take a look at https://wiki.php.net/rfc/fast_zpp
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks. Dmitry.
>> >>
>> >> This looks like a great idea. I like how it=E2=80=99s not only faster=
, but it
>> >> seems to be more readable.
>> >
>> > More readable? - I feel exactly the opposite. Yes, we get rid of void
>> > pointers but use a pattern easy to understand. This looks like macro
>> > hell.
>>
>> I feel the same way. I very much the idea of rewamping zpp, it is a
>> long due taks.
>>
>> However the way it is implemented in this RFC is not something I would
>> like to work with for a decade or so. The performance gain is also not
>> sufficient enough to justify it.
>>
>> I think we should think more about other options (no matter how long
>> you spent discussing options before posting this RFC). I am sure we
>> can come with other solutions which may be cleaner and also provide
>> some performance improvements.
>>
>> > If we break APIs anyways: Can't we go for C++ which allows providing
>> > high level APIs with high performance ...
>>
>> Yes, C++ would in this case provides almost all we need for
>> implementing parameter management in a clean and efficient way. Not
>> sure if it is desired tho'.
>>
>> By the way, please do not ask me to come with code and cases to valid
>> my comment here, I won't. At least not until things get clarified
>> about we wish. The last thing we need is yet another Zend vs World
>> about that :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Pierre
>>
>> @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org
>
>

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