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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Fast Parameter Parsing API
From: dmitry@zend.com (Dmitry Stogov)

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This patch is connected with Zend only in a way, that I worked on it during
last days (it's even not my idea).
but once I saw the idea I saw how it may be useful. I really don't
understand you attitude to us.
We are working hard to make a real big step forward...

2.5% speedup on real-life is not a good gain? where do you live? :)

Thanks. Dmitry.




On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dmitry, Bob,
>
> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter
> <johannes@schlueters.de> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 13:52 +0100, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> >> On 23 May 2014, at 12:36, Dmitry Stogov <dmitry@zend.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Please take a look at https://wiki.php.net/rfc/fast_zpp
> >> >
> >> > Thanks. Dmitry.
> >>
> >> This looks like a great idea. I like how it=E2=80=99s not only faster,=
 but it
> >> seems to be more readable.
> >
> > More readable? - I feel exactly the opposite. Yes, we get rid of void
> > pointers but use a pattern easy to understand. This looks like macro
> > hell.
>
> I feel the same way. I very much the idea of rewamping zpp, it is a
> long due taks.
>
> However the way it is implemented in this RFC is not something I would
> like to work with for a decade or so. The performance gain is also not
> sufficient enough to justify it.
>
> I think we should think more about other options (no matter how long
> you spent discussing options before posting this RFC). I am sure we
> can come with other solutions which may be cleaner and also provide
> some performance improvements.
>
> > If we break APIs anyways: Can't we go for C++ which allows providing
> > high level APIs with high performance ...
>
> Yes, C++ would in this case provides almost all we need for
> implementing parameter management in a clean and efficient way. Not
> sure if it is desired tho'.
>
> By the way, please do not ask me to come with code and cases to valid
> my comment here, I won't. At least not until things get clarified
> about we wish. The last thing we need is yet another Zend vs World
> about that :)
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Pierre
>
> @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org
>

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